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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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as i continue on the mend with gene and

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chris we're going to have a

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fascinating discussion where we go i

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guess back to the traditional

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look at the ufo field we'll get into

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that in a moment now as you know no

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matter what happens in this world there

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has to be a conspiracy theory about it

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so what's the latest well the death of

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justice scalia

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a conspiracy theory well didn't the guy

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die of a heart attack or something

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and there's some crazy things about it

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so for example he was pronounced dead

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at this place in texas by a justice of

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the peace who actually never saw the

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body so the only people who actually saw

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the body i guess at first after he was

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discovered were the us marshals is that

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enough for a conspiracy theory chris

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uh i don't know it seems a little a

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little hinky you know um he wasn't very

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well liked by

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uh quite a few people and um you know

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what can you

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had been on the court since 85 uh he was

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there were reports that when they found

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him there was a pillow on his face

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so he seemed to be in good health uh the

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night before

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good spirits

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he did have some health problems

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the family doesn't want an autopsy so

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you know i don't know go figure

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well i assume a sheriff's department can

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order an autopsy no matter what the

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family thinks

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that's the first thing if there's any

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possible evidence of foul play but right

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now the only questions being asked i

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guess are by

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controversial talk show host michael

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and i guess by alex jones

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i think their implication will be well

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the obama administration wanted to get

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rid of scalia

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so they offed him

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but this is going to be really crazy

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because the chances that obama would

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even get a supreme court candidate

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this year because of all the election

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year nonsense

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it's not very high so i don't see how

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that works

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a hindi american

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who was unanimously approved i think for

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a circuit court judge so if he nominates

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him they have no uh excuse to

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you know hold up the nomination since

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sent it and uh has already i think it's

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a senate right that approves nominations

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approved the nomination uh at a lower

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court so you know there are ways around

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that

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right this particular person was

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approved by i think a 97-0

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in this political climate is something

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unheard of now there are other

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conspiracy theories about what they

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could do so for example if he can't get

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a nominee approved and say the democrats

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lose the election but gain the senate

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there's a 17-day period

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from the time the new senate takes

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office in january of 2017

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until the next president takes over so

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he can nominate anyone if he had a

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democratic senate i mean talk about

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conspiracy theories i just think the guy

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died he is somebody who clearly was a

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little bit overweight or more than a

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little overweight he's 79 years of age

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there are reports he had some chronic

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health problems we assume possibly blood

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pressure heart the usual stuff but if

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there's going to be a conspiracy theory

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there's going to be one and maybe it

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would be more reassuring to everybody

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to go through a more normal

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investigative process

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i don't know

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whoever gets in is going to probably

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have

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three additional

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on the supreme court because

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there's some folks

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ruth bader ginsburg there's several

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people that are kind of getting up in

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years so

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justice kennedy possibly justice thomas

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thomas never should have been in there

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in the first place just ask uh anita

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about long dong silver

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i don't even want to get into this this

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is just getting too crazy you think

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that the wwe

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worldwide wrestling

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organization gets crazy

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if you haven't seen it yet look for a

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replay of the last republican debate

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i think it's going to replace wrestling

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in ratings

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yeah they all agreed that uh they were

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all liars they just couldn't agree on

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who was the biggest liar

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this was the pants on fire debate

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and that place was in flames

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anyway

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let's move on to our corner of the world

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what i'm really happy

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is the fact that the discussion about

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whitley strieber's appearance in the

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power cast

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has been mostly quite civil

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you know a lot of yeah i expected a

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little more

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harsh criticisms but there hasn't been

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that much

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yeah well again

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i think you pointed it out that that we

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had to get beyond the debate of whether

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he was lying and making all this stuff

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up or not and we'll just give him the

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benefit of the doubt in that way

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you know we're not going to get bogged

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down and and

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lose him the first half hour that we got

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him on the show so you know we had to

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defer to um

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you know

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suspend our disbelief something to some

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degree

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i think all in all it went well and i

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think people are responding to it very

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well i've i've been told to go ahead and

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re-listen to it um

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which i

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i never do re-listen to shows i mean

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they take too too much of my time

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in having to get my

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my schedule around some of these taping

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sessions so you know i don't re-listen

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to shows i may

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go back and re-listen to this one uh

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need a few things clarified in my own

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but um yeah i think i appreciate people

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you know understanding

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the sensitive nature you know losing his

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wife and and and stuff and and being

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under attack for 30 years

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you know i think people appreciated our

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kinder and gentler approach

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also whatever happened to him and i

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i don't think it's a 30-year performance

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art project

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where he just made it up and kept this

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thing going on for 30 years

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i think people have better things to do

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and sure perhaps he made a reasonable

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amount of money from the first couple of

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books and maybe that movie deal

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but after that i think it's been more of

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a negative than a positive

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so it doesn't make sense to me just

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crazy things happen to people

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and because he was in the position of

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being a best-selling author

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what he had to say had resonance but if

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there was no whitley streeper

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we might still have a cultural meme of

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grey aliens it would just come from

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maybe it was just time i don't know

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that's also another strange theory in

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any case

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there it is folks

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will we have whitley streeper on the

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i don't know if he has something else he

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wants to talk about if there is

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interest from our listeners i suppose we

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could ask him

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but right now i think we've covered the

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as best we can

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so let's move on

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all right we're getting back to a more

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traditional look at ufos after looking

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at a lot of interesting alternatives

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like alternate realities

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and synchronicities

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and subjective experiences

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we're going to bring back on this week's

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episode peter davenport of the national

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ufo reporting center

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and he's got a lot of interesting things

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one of course is recent sightings

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and the reports for example

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of red orange and yellow fireballs

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sightings of clusters like that

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and he says

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these reports do not involve so-called

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chinese lanterns

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and he also has a proposal on hand

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to

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develop some kind of ufo detection

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folks and that sounds interesting so

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there's a lot to talk about with peter

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davenport and he's waiting in the wings

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and we'll get to him in the next segment

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let me get to this

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we had a lot more detailed discussion

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about whitley strieber

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we're joined by peter davenport of the

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national ufo reporting center it's been

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a while since we've heard from him in

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fact 2013

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as a matter of fact so lots of things

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have happened we're going to give you

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a ufo update update on the latest

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sightings latest theories and about

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peter your

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proposal for some kind of ufo detection

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system we'll get to that later

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but let me ask you here about

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ufo sightings in general there's been a

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perception in recent years that we don't

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get as many cases as we used to

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what's your perception of that yeah it's

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all wrong

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there are many many perceptions many

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claims

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all sorts of things that go on in

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ufology and

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it's sort of interesting i have a sort

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of a cat bird seed on all of this most

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of those comments most of those

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impressions

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most of those claims i find just don't

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conform

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to the reality of the phenomenon as i

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see it

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and they're very few people who spend as

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much time in a given day

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trying to collect ufo reports as i do

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interestingly i'm just reading

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re-reading i suspect a book published in

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1956 by edward j ruppell who was the

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head of blue book back in the 1950s sure

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and as i read his description of what

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was going on back then

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in 1950 51 52

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appears to be exactly the same thing

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that we're seeing today the phenomenon

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appears to me not to have changed one

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wit

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and he i just last night was reading the

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section in which he comments that they

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were getting about

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10 to 20 reports per day well i'm

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getting more than that i'm probably

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getting 20 to 30 reports per day

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so

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the phenomenon has not changed since

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1952.

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well in those years we had reports of

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radar visual sightings

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and i haven't heard of much of that in

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recent years is it that they're not

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being reported or what well they're not

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being reported from the radar side

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because

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almost all radars in the united states

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are controlled by whom by the us

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government they're either military

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radars or faa radars there are a few

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weather radars i don't know if they're

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run by television stations or whether

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those stations just subscribe to

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government radar

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the issue with radar is they're very

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expensive to acquire and they're pretty

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expensive to run because of the power

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consumption and of course they have to

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be staffed by people who are watching

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the screen

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but i'm not not surprised that the

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government is not reporting radar

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sightings

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because it's the government and they

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don't want you and me or our listeners

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to even think about the ufo phenomenon

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they want us to

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remain naive with regard to the ufo

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what's going on in the field of ufology

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so

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i have posted radar sightings in fact

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one comes to mind immediately

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and any of our listeners can look this

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up on the national ufo reporting center

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website ufocenter.com

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there was a beautiful radar visual

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sighting on the i think it was the 22nd

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of june year 2000

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aircraft was flying in the vicinity of

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rhode island providence rhode island had

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an object go right by him he called the

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faa

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air traffic control system and they

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confirmed that they could see now an

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object tracking his airplane so there

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are radar visual sightings from time to

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time

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what about the nature of the objects

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themselves the same kind of objects we

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saw then or as has there been change

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obviously these fireballs that we're

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going to talk about indicate some sort

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of change that we had back then

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yeah it's very interesting to see trends

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to see changes

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variations in the type of objects that

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are being reported

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and interestingly gene i can date this

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change fairly accurately

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it's not as though we had not taken such

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reports before it's just that they

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increased in frequency and increased to

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a dramatic degree i'm sure

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if we were talking statistics it would

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be a statistically significant increase

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but we're talking and you're correct

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it's the issue of clusters of fireballs

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and i'll direct our with our listeners

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to a few of the really interesting cases

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here in a moment

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it was about the last week in may

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of

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2012

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we suddenly started receiving reports of

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clusters of fireballs cluster being

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anywhere from two to two hundred of

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these

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red orange yellow amber and gold

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fireballs

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that started pouring in here in fact

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people can see the beginning one of the

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early reports was from the 1st of june

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2012 from a st louis police officer who

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was driving south of st louis on an

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interstate i think interstate 55 it is

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and as he and his wife and their infant

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child were driving to the south he was

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quite shocked quite surprised

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to look off to his quartering right to

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the southwest

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and see a cluster of about a dozen or 14

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orange lights moving very rapidly from

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his right to left so they were going to

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the east

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he started to slow down i think he

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writes in his report

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and other people obviously were looking

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at these objects too because there was a

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some kind of collision of vehicles on

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the interstate and he had to

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quickly pull over and go into his police

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officer mode

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investigating or tending to potential

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injuries

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peter let me interrupt real quick was

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was it because people were not keeping

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their eyes on the road they were

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watching this particular phenomenal

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event or

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that may be the case although i haven't

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talked to those other people so i can't

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confirm that but

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this officer said

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he had an interesting comment he's a

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practicing christian

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and he said this sighting of whatever

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those objects were

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just shook his belief system to the

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roots of his soul

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it's a very interesting comment by he

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was a very

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eloquent uh i suspect highly reliable

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witness

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and people can see that uh report on our

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website again for the first of june

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there's some interesting reports similar

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reports from the next day

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june 2nd 2012

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from beacon rock state park here in the

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state of washington where i am

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several

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groups reported

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a sighting of a cluster of orange

551
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objects that were flying

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to the east up the columbia river this

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is probably 20 miles east of portland

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oregon

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and the objects got to their general

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location just above the river and

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suddenly the orange objects turned made

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a distinct turn

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to the north and when streaking off into

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the night sky people can read again the

561
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second of june 2012.

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that doesn't sound like chinese lanterns

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to me

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no and

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this is what you've cited is the very

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argument that a lot of people uh level

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against uh

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00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,760
this phenomenon they're saying oh

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they're chinese lanterns or otherwise

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known as sky lanterns or japanese

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lanterns and i'm fairly sure that some

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of these reports of clusters of objects

573
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may be due to the launch of skylanders i

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address this in my public presentations

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and

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show video of what a launch of sky

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lanterns looks like let's do the rest of

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that in our next segment we have to do a

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brief break with peter davenport of the

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national ufo reporting center we're

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talking about

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these

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unusual

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fireballs connected to the ufo

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phenomenon with gene and chris you're in

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[Applause]

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hi this is joshua p warren author of the

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poor man's paranormal and you're

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listening to the paracast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

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with gene and chris in the power cast we

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have peter davenport of the national ufo

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reporting center now

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00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:30,960
just as a point of reference here if

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ufos are solid metallic objects what are

703
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:36,720
the fireballs about are they just

704
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projecting lights or what

705
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you know if i knew the answer to your

706
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question gene i'd probably have a nobel

707
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prize to my name

708
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,480
well i think we can assume in some cases

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uh guys that we're looking at some sort

710
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of plasma uh effect some sort of

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ionization effect that seems to surround

712
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uh true foes if you will um oftentimes

713
00:28:01,750 --> 00:28:00,000
you'll you'll have these types of

714
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,760
effects especially if you're in a

715
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:03,840
moisture-laden environment i think

716
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:07,039
that's not an unreasonable assertion but

717
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:09,679
we don't know for sure yet and in fact

718
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,919
it is not just i who is talking about

719
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,679
these phenomena not just i who's

720
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:15,679
collecting such reports

721
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,480
i talk infrequently to roger marsh who

722
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:20,640
is the editor of the ufo journal for

723
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:23,919
mufon mother of publication of course

724
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:28,240
and he and i agree and in fact mufon

725
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:31,600
i think predicated on these reports

726
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:34,399
has passed a state director

727
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:37,840
in fact it's erica luke's state director

728
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:41,279
for mufon for the state of utah who is

729
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,760
now actively investigating these i've

730
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,880
shared some

731
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,480
cases with her

732
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trying to get to the bottom of just what

733
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,640
these things are the reason

734
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,279
i'm even talking about this phenomenon

735
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:56,080
is because we don't understand what they

736
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:56,799
are

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and they don't seem to conform to any

738
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kind of terrestrial phenomenon that i

739
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can think of with the exception of the

740
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,320
chinese lanterns but i think we can rule

741
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,559
out chinese lanterns for the following

742
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,559
several reasons number one

743
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:14,399
oftentimes these objects are seen

744
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,360
maneuvering in different directions

745
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,760
if it were a cluster of chinese lanterns

746
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,600
they would be drifting

747
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with the prevailing winds aloft which

748
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,880
usually are laminar and

749
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not chopped up and not

750
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:30,880
taking carrying objects in different

751
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,520
directions not impossible of course but

752
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:35,919
usually winds aloft are

753
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moving in one direction at a constant

754
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:41,039
velocity also

755
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:42,559
some of these objects are seen to

756
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suddenly accelerate

757
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,120
and accelerate dramatically and go

758
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,000
streaking over the horizon clearly

759
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,279
not any kind of chinese lantern or

760
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:54,880
drifting body

761
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:57,520
the rapid acceleration especially

762
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,159
sounds mystifying yes well

763
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:03,039
this kind of reminds me of uh some very

764
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impressive footage uh that jaime massan

765
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had

766
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you know it's kind of sprinkled in

767
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amongst all the obvious hoaxes and

768
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,440
misidentified natural phenomena that

769
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sort of thing birds uh whatever and this

770
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was a daylight sighting i believe over

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mexico

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with a fairly large glowing orange

773
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,399
object that seemed to be shooting out

774
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like a roman candle from either end of

775
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the object was shooting out smaller

776
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:29,360
orange objects that would then fly away

777
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,799
and there were quite a number of them

778
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:32,880
that seemed to be ejected for the life

779
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of me i

780
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:35,360
really have never seen anything like it

781
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,399
it was actually very good footage and i

782
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i personally feel that it was a

783
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a legitimate

784
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,279
phenomenal event that was actually

785
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:45,679
captured optically some of these

786
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,320
fireball sightings of course are

787
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:50,399
being reported during the day not these

788
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,840
are not only nocturnal siding events and

789
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,159
that would um obviously

790
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,080
kind of lean away from any sort of uh

791
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,720
man-made chinese lantern or something

792
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,880
akin to that but um have you seen that

793
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,960
footage peter i'm sure you have uh very

794
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:06,240
weird

795
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:10,640
about i think 2010 maybe 20 2009

796
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:13,279
if i remember uh very very impressive

797
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:14,240
footage

798
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:18,960
on the internet i'll try to yeah

799
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,679
it's on youtube just to share with our

800
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,080
listeners the volume of such reports

801
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:26,320
that have occurred well it started in as

802
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:29,760
i mentioned earlier in late may of 2012

803
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:32,799
approximately we're almost to may and

804
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,200
2016 so in the last approximately 44

805
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,080
months or so the national ufo reporting

806
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:42,880
center has posted between 12 000 and 15

807
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,240
000 such reports to our website well and

808
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,640
it's the most frequent subject

809
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,399
of conversation

810
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:52,080
when i do a

811
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:54,799
presentation on ufos or when i post a

812
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:57,279
statement to our website it is more

813
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,200
often than not about one of these very

814
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,600
dramatic sightings if listeners would

815
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,840
like to look at some of the really

816
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:06,240
interesting sightings i would call to

817
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,200
their attention a very special report

818
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:11,360
special because it comes from a retired

819
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,799
u.s astronaut who lives in athens texas

820
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,880
that's about 70 miles southeast of

821
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:18,159
dallas

822
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,320
on the 5th of july 2013. so we were

823
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,200
about 14 months into this phenomenon

824
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,120
when this report came in

825
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,760
received a call from a gentleman who

826
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,000
described himself as a retired astronaut

827
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:34,320
in fact i've investigated and he is who

828
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,840
he says he is

829
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:38,000
on that evening he was standing outside

830
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,399
with his wife and their adult daughter

831
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,480
he was facing the west his wife was

832
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,480
facing east

833
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:46,960
and she called to him and said honey

834
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:49,760
what's this and he wheeled around

835
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,120
just in time to see he describes

836
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:56,399
a an orange fireball streak over his

837
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,679
head

838
00:33:03,029 --> 00:32:59,760
he followed it visually

839
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:03,039
as it moved very rapidly to the west

840
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,799
and she said here comes another one he

841
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,960
turned around here's a second orange

842
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,080
fireball

843
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:10,559
all told they witnessed i believe it was

844
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:11,519
six

845
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,760
red or red orange fireballs that night

846
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,840
i talked to him on several occasions as

847
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:20,159
you can well imagine he would be

848
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:22,480
perceived to be an excellent source of

849
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:25,279
objective reliable information indeed he

850
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:26,320
is

851
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,679
i believe

852
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,919
and he said at one point in our

853
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,159
conversation he said peter

854
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:33,919
he said i don't know what those objects

855
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:34,880
were

856
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:37,120
but he said i feel very comfortable in

857
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,720
assuring you that they were not

858
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,279
manufactured on our planet

859
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,760
let me ask you something here which

860
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:45,600
is also important

861
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:47,919
we're seeing these fireballs in the sky

862
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:48,720
how

863
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,159
close do they seem to get

864
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:54,000
that's a very interesting question we

865
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:55,440
just posted

866
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:58,559
a graphic image from a witness

867
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,399
i think in pennsylvania i'm going on

868
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:02,080
memory now

869
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:03,279
who saw

870
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,320
four or six of these fireballs they were

871
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:09,040
the perceived size of a full moon to the

872
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:10,560
witnesses

873
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,800
now that's a pretty pretty prominent

874
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:14,720
object in the night sky

875
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:15,599
but

876
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,079
your question is a very good one gene is

877
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:20,240
very pertinent you always want to know

878
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,960
how far away and therefore how big were

879
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:23,760
the

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00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,359
dimension

881
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:29,520
you can't know that unless you can know

882
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,839
your distance from them

883
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:33,520
but the problem is

884
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:36,000
almost invariably and this is one of the

885
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:37,599
great mysteries of the fireball

886
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:38,800
phenomenon

887
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,440
one of the great mysteries is even

888
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,280
in those instances where there's a

889
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,359
dramatic display

890
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:47,760
of a dozen or two dozen or three dozen

891
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,480
orange objects we get only

892
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,879
almost invariably just one report about

893
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:55,040
it the question i ask

894
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,079
is what are those other witnesses who no

895
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,880
doubt have seen the same display

896
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,800
thinking about what they're looking at

897
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,880
why the thing i wonder about too peter

898
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,400
not to interrupt you

899
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:08,400
is how many people even look up anymore

900
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:09,680
they're too busy looking at their

901
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:11,680
iphones

902
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:12,480
well

903
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,960
i think it's not a question if that may

904
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:16,960
be the case and i've often mused and

905
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,280
ruminated on that point gene

906
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:22,320
but i think it is more like the case

907
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,440
that when people see something anomalous

908
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:27,520
really very flabbergasting they're

909
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:31,440
either inclined to forget it or file it

910
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:34,800
away in the deep recess of their memory

911
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,760
or

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00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:37,359
just decide that they're not going to

913
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,280
get involved or

914
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:41,440
they don't want to spend the time or

915
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:44,560
they're just lazy and i think the last

916
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,599
the last element that i cite there

917
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,520
explains it all they don't want to take

918
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,359
the time to find an organization like

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00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:53,200
the ufo center

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00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:54,800
to report it

921
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,599
where even though it takes only about

922
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:59,920
five strokes of a on a keyboard and

923
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:02,480
hitting the return button to find

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a ufo reporting agency like

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00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:08,079
mine the national ufo reporting center

926
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,079
or mufon or ufos northwest or there are

927
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:14,720
a whole bunch of them today who will

928
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:18,800
accept reports but even when they call

929
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over the ufo hotline which we've

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00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:23,760
maintained since 1974

931
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:26,000
and we asked them to submit a written

932
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,119
report

933
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,599
more often than not that's too much work

934
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,440
for them yeah they can't be bothered

935
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:33,520
well this is the way the society is now

936
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we're so inundated with survival

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everything else takes a backseat let's

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get to more of this with peter davenport

939
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and gene and chris you're in the

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visiting

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www.harrydentresearch.com again that's

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this is leslie kane and i'm with the

1035
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coalition for freedom of information and

1036
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,710
on the power cast with gene steinberg

1037
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,400
christopher o'brien we have peter

1038
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,480
davenport of the national ufo reporting

1039
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:17,920
center so

1040
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,560
kind of clarify this for me at first

1041
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,240
when i asked you about the frequency of

1042
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:24,240
sightings and the kind of sightings you

1043
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,520
said they really hadn't changed that

1044
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:28,000
much from the 1950s

1045
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:30,319
and captain rupels booked the report on

1046
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:32,800
unidentified flying objects but

1047
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,000
this fireball phenomenon seems to be

1048
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:38,160
more prevalent now than it used to be

1049
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:39,760
correct me if i'm wrong

1050
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:42,560
absolutely it has grown

1051
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,000
in intensity to a point that

1052
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:48,880
it tends to alarm me gene we have a

1053
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,319
phenomenon a major phenomenon as viewed

1054
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,079
from my vantage point

1055
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,000
that is taking place and we have a

1056
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:58,640
government that is saying absolutely

1057
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,520
nothing about it and it moreover it is a

1058
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,800
phenomenon

1059
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:04,240
for which

1060
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:08,000
no ufo organization has any satisfactory

1061
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,760
explanation

1062
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,480
another case that comes to mind

1063
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:14,560
is particularly

1064
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:17,200
representative of this phenomenon

1065
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:21,119
it's the 28th of march 2013.

1066
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:24,640
glendale arizona a retired

1067
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,440
arizona highway patrol officer

1068
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,079
was standing in his house in glendale

1069
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:32,560
glendale is on the west side of greater

1070
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,960
phoenix area i'm about an hour from

1071
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:35,760
there

1072
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:38,240
yeah he was looking to the north

1073
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:39,520
and

1074
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,680
admiring a beautiful

1075
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,880
clear

1076
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:44,640
nighttime sky

1077
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,400
and suddenly an orange fireball

1078
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,119
streaked from his left to his right that

1079
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:54,160
is from west to east in the northern sky

1080
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:56,560
from his vantage point inside his house

1081
00:43:03,030 --> 00:42:59,839
it was so shocking a sighting for him

1082
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,040
so surprising that he rushed outside

1083
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:05,520
to see if he could see this object

1084
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:08,800
disappearing to towards the east

1085
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,359
well he got out on his deck on the north

1086
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,119
side of his house and

1087
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,520
was viewing he couldn't find the object

1088
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,520
it had been moving so fast that it was

1089
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:20,160
gone from his sight by the time he got

1090
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,760
outside

1091
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,040
but he

1092
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,200
as he was standing on his deck another

1093
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:27,440
cluster of several of them

1094
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,920
followed the same pathway across the sky

1095
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,680
that the first one had

1096
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:33,839
and then another cluster and another

1097
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:37,200
cluster and another cluster all told

1098
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:41,200
about 150 he estimates orange objects

1099
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:42,640
and one

1100
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:44,000
witness

1101
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:45,920
one report

1102
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,240
how can that be i asked for the fifth

1103
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:50,720
largest metropolitan area in the country

1104
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:53,119
yeah how can it be

1105
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:55,599
that an event an alleged event like this

1106
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,000
takes place and there's no i have to use

1107
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,200
alleged as a formality there was no

1108
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:04,079
question remaining in my mind based on

1109
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,640
my two or three conversations with this

1110
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,640
gentleman that he was reporting

1111
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:10,079
truthfully

1112
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:11,599
uh he said

1113
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:14,560
he made the point i seem to recall

1114
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,920
that he really had no benefit from

1115
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:19,440
reporting this

1116
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,560
he was on retirement from the arizona

1117
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,200
highway patrol off duty that he had had

1118
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,440
for 35 years he said there's no

1119
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:29,280
advantage for me to report this mr

1120
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,480
davenport but what i saw i have no

1121
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,720
explanation for and again people don't

1122
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:36,720
have to believe what i'm saying i was i

1123
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,680
was born in missouri 68 years ago

1124
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,680
in fact i lived in ferguson missouri as

1125
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:42,960
a young kid

1126
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,960
i have to ask you about that sometime

1127
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,720
but not now

1128
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,800
that's the show me state

1129
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,640
and for me it's a very important

1130
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:52,319
principle not only because of my

1131
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,440
birthright

1132
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,280
but because of my training as a

1133
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,440
scientist i the only thing that matters

1134
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:59,200
to me is data

1135
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:02,079
data and evidence and corroboration and

1136
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,520
all of that

1137
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,240
this was a very very good sighting and

1138
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:08,240
again it takes us back to the mystery of

1139
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:11,920
how an event like this can occur

1140
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,079
but there's only one report

1141
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,800
how many tens of thousands of people

1142
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,880
must have seen the same thing

1143
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,280
but they have not reported it and it

1144
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,160
underscores my suspicion my estimate

1145
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:25,920
gene would be

1146
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:29,520
that out of about 20 000 americans who

1147
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,560
see

1148
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:33,040
a phenomenon similar to what this

1149
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,480
retired

1150
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:37,680
state patrol officer allegedly witnessed

1151
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,720
out of 20 000 people who see a dramatic

1152
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,160
event like that

1153
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:43,920
only one will ever come forward and

1154
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:46,000
report it well let me ask you something

1155
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,880
here

1156
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,040
and this is a ultimate question about

1157
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,760
ufos and subjectivity and it's more

1158
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:53,440
involved than maybe we wanted to get

1159
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,560
into

1160
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,960
but if you put 10 people

1161
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,640
out there in the field

1162
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:00,480
you would maintain that if there was a

1163
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:03,920
fireball overhead or a hundred fireballs

1164
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,400
all ten people assuming they have normal

1165
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,400
visual acuity

1166
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:10,560
etc etc and they're looking in the same

1167
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,240
place would see precisely the same thing

1168
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,000
well they would see the same thing of

1169
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:17,839
course depending on the quality of their

1170
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:20,480
vision the question is what they would

1171
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:21,599
report

1172
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,800
point and this is an important one even

1173
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,119
the most important for our listeners

1174
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:31,359
i would say probably 30 percent of the

1175
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:33,200
people listening to this program have

1176
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:37,119
seen ufos and only one in 20 000 of

1177
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:40,720
those listeners has ever reported it

1178
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:44,319
so we can't post the reports unless we

1179
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:45,599
receive them

1180
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,160
but out of 10 people who saw

1181
00:46:53,950 --> 00:46:50,400
the likes of which that law enforcement

1182
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:53,960
officer saw on the 28th of september

1183
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,800
2013 probably not one of them would

1184
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,079
report it

1185
00:47:01,510 --> 00:47:00,560
that's not a number of witnesses large

1186
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:01,520
enough

1187
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:02,720
to

1188
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:05,359
have at least one of them reported let's

1189
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:07,040
let's put the request out there we've

1190
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,079
got

1191
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,800
quite a few listeners here a lot of whom

1192
00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:12,560
live in the arizona area this is

1193
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:14,680
september 28th

1194
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,319
2013.

1195
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:18,720
yes what time again sir

1196
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:21,440
i was in the evening sighting

1197
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,400
and i

1198
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:24,400
seemed to recall it was about nine

1199
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,200
o'clock but people can find that report

1200
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,359
on our website that's why we post all of

1201
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:31,599
these reports of course okay people make

1202
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:34,720
sure around 9 00 p.m mountain time

1203
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,599
september 28 2013

1204
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,240
in and around glendale arizona we have

1205
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,079
listeners in arizona

1206
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:44,640
if any one of you out there

1207
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,520
saw something strange that day

1208
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,680
please let us know you could contact

1209
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:51,520
peter at the national ufo reporting

1210
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,560
center

1211
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:54,640
you could check out the power cast we

1212
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,800
have contact us links all over the place

1213
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,480
on our site

1214
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,319
let us know we'll try to get this

1215
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,040
coordinated because that's a problem

1216
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,119
i mean if one person reports something

1217
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,920
wacky however credible that person is

1218
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,359
there's always going to be a way to say

1219
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,760
well he saw something or something

1220
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:13,680
happened to him that

1221
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,920
is beyond our can and maybe

1222
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,920
that's why other people didn't see it

1223
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:20,160
but as soon as two people see it five

1224
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,760
people ten people

1225
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,839
we can put together something consistent

1226
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,359
so let's see what happens we'll put the

1227
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:27,119
call out there and see if we can get any

1228
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:28,400
response

1229
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,280
yeah

1230
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,839
but the problem is now we're almost

1231
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,760
three years after the event of course

1232
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,160
two and a half years anyway

1233
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,800
the problem now is most people will have

1234
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,640
forgotten it or it will have gone into

1235
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,400
deep memory

1236
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,960
and they won't remember the date

1237
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:46,960
if a person doesn't report a ufo

1238
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:50,000
sighting within 24 to 48 hours

1239
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,800
when i talk to them about their sighting

1240
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:55,359
more often than not i would say and

1241
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:56,720
that's a guess

1242
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,119
more often than not they don't even

1243
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:01,520
remember the day or date or day of week

1244
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,319
or or any of that information

1245
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:07,040
the time and date of a sighting is one

1246
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,319
of the fastest things or one of the

1247
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:12,480
soonest things to disappear from the

1248
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:14,960
witnesses memory they remember where

1249
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:17,520
they were interestingly people have a

1250
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:20,000
very good locational memory they don't

1251
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,640
have a good temporal memory it's an

1252
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:24,160
interesting statement about human

1253
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,599
psychology

1254
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:27,760
what about then this is another thing

1255
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,800
attacked by the skeptics the reliability

1256
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,800
of human testimony

1257
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,480
especially something that's unexpected

1258
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,480
and we have what the old law school

1259
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:38,400
experiment where they stage something

1260
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,920
for the students and everybody has a

1261
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:41,200
different answer

1262
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,839
so when you look at multiple witnesses

1263
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,760
of something like this we can talk about

1264
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,599
multiple witness sightings

1265
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:49,200
and we have about a minute and a half of

1266
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:51,359
the segment so if i'm rushing you

1267
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,640
forgive me

1268
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,720
what sort of variation do we see in

1269
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:56,000
descriptions

1270
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:57,440
well that's the interesting thing

1271
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,119
multiple sighting

1272
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,880
reports are probably the most

1273
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,559
interesting the phoenix lights down in

1274
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:04,960
your areas the most probably the most

1275
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,079
dramatic example of multiple witnesses

1276
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,400
over a large area reporting the same

1277
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:13,119
phenomenon over an extended period of

1278
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,000
time

1279
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,920
and in fact maybe after the break we can

1280
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,920
talk about the phoenix lights in detail

1281
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,520
if that's not

1282
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:21,680
whipping a dead horse back to his feet

1283
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:22,640
because

1284
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:25,280
it's been talked about so often

1285
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:26,720
but

1286
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:29,119
multiple witness cases are very useful

1287
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,240
because it allows us to triangulate on

1288
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,319
the objects in other words two or more

1289
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,240
witnesses looking at the same object at

1290
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,640
the same time can draw lines in the

1291
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,480
direction they're looking all those

1292
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:42,319
lines will intersect

1293
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,480
and that will help us

1294
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,160
calculate how far away from the

1295
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,000
witnesses the object was and therefore

1296
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,240
what its size was i think the basic

1297
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,319
question i'm asking though and maybe we

1298
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:54,079
can flesh this out in our next segment

1299
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:55,680
where we will cover a little bit about

1300
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:57,920
the phoenix lights and that is the

1301
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:00,480
variation in the testimony

1302
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:03,280
the specific factual variations of

1303
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:04,720
different people

1304
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:07,119
different backgrounds seeing what may or

1305
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:08,640
may not be the same thing and that's

1306
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:10,720
something we'll have to get into we have

1307
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,040
peter davenport of the national ufo

1308
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:15,440
reporting center joining us in the power

1309
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,839
cast this week we're coming up on a 10th

1310
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that's going to be kind of a work in

1312
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:23,040
progress let's see how that turns out to

1313
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:23,839
be

1314
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:25,920
doing this for 10 years

1315
00:51:36,550 --> 00:51:28,079
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1316
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1367
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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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1369
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:04,800
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1370
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:08,220
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00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,589
before we continue with peter davenport

1372
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,920
the national ufo reporting center

1373
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,520
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so the question i posed to peter

1383
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:42,079
davenport in our last segment was the

1384
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:44,880
variation how much of a variation do we

1385
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,680
see

1386
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:47,119
of people who

1387
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,640
appear to be seeing the same thing of

1388
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,640
course you're talking about coordinating

1389
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,720
location but what about verbal

1390
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,079
descriptions

1391
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:56,079
yeah there is always variation when

1392
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,800
you're dealing with human beings

1393
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:00,640
we are not

1394
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:03,520
particularly skilled at watching

1395
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,640
something

1396
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,480
and then

1397
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:08,640
watching something memorizing it and

1398
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:11,680
then reporting it exactly as it occurred

1399
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:12,720
your

1400
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:14,960
uh suggestion that you're you're

1401
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:18,000
mentioning the law school examples of

1402
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,559
how poor eyewitnesses are

1403
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:22,640
however i would cite the two cases that

1404
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:25,280
i focused on during well make it four

1405
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:27,839
cases the police officer in st louis

1406
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:30,400
june first 2012

1407
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:33,680
very good witness very reliable he said

1408
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,440
look peter i have nothing to gain by

1409
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:37,440
reporting this in fact everything to

1410
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:40,640
lose including my job but what i saw was

1411
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:41,680
so

1412
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,480
flabbergasting that i feel duty bound to

1413
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:46,880
report it to an organization like yours

1414
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,079
the next day the 2nd of june 2012

1415
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,559
beacon rock state park it was three

1416
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,400
groups of campers

1417
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,559
all of whom reported essentially the

1418
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:58,960
same thing at the same time that's a

1419
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:02,160
very good report are you a retired u.s

1420
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:03,680
astronaut

1421
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:06,400
is that a pretty reliable person i think

1422
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:07,200
so

1423
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,240
damocles poised over his neck

1424
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:14,480
and i asked him how good his vision was

1425
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:17,839
and he said it's probably still 2015. so

1426
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,160
he got a good eyeball on those six

1427
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,400
objects that went over his head and a

1428
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,280
retired arizona highway patrol officer

1429
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:27,520
you'd have to talk to him gene to really

1430
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:28,960
understand

1431
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:31,680
how convincing this gentleman was

1432
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:35,359
i tend to trust his report implicitly so

1433
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:38,319
sometimes eyewitnesses are good your

1434
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,880
point is well taken though i wish the

1435
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:42,960
quality of the reports

1436
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:45,760
both oral reports over the hotline and

1437
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:47,599
follow-up written reports over our

1438
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,799
website

1439
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:50,799
were more thorough

1440
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,599
more accurate more carefully prepared

1441
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,680
and so on but you're dealing with the

1442
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:57,520
public when you deal with the public you

1443
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:59,440
have to roll with the punches right and

1444
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:02,000
and you're dealing for the most part i

1445
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,680
would say the bulk of reports are from

1446
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:05,760
untrained witnesses you're mentioning

1447
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:09,040
examples from trained observers um who

1448
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:10,960
you would think would have a little bit

1449
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,680
better ability to recall

1450
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:15,520
exact details one thing that i've

1451
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,839
noticed in my work over the years is

1452
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:19,920
when a citing event is shared by a group

1453
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:21,920
of people and when you interview them

1454
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:25,760
separately the the variation tends to be

1455
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:28,400
the actual duration some people think it

1456
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:30,000
happens very quickly other people you

1457
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:33,040
know time seems to slow down so you have

1458
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:34,960
kind of a variation in in the actual

1459
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:37,280
duration of the event and then the other

1460
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:38,880
thing that i've noticed too is people

1461
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:41,200
sometimes confuse what happened first

1462
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,119
then what happened second third fourth

1463
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,520
that sort of thing people tend to

1464
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,760
jumble that up a little bit for the most

1465
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:49,680
part descriptions i think are fairly

1466
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:52,799
accurate in terms of color size

1467
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:55,520
motion but it's it's the

1468
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:56,640
actual

1469
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:58,400
sequence of events and in the time

1470
00:58:01,829 --> 00:58:00,880
duration that seems to to ebb and flow a

1471
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,839
little bit

1472
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,839
yeah one of the things that happens too

1473
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:05,520
is when people see

1474
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,359
something that they perceive to be

1475
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:09,280
really anomalous

1476
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:10,079
the

1477
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:13,760
emotion gets involved in it an emotional

1478
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:16,960
witness is not as rock solid as a person

1479
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,599
who has the self-discipline to remain

1480
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:21,680
objective and factual

1481
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,640
and just record the event as it appears

1482
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,319
to that witness

1483
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:28,960
it was beaming me i knew it knew i was

1484
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,000
there i felt a connection

1485
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,480
yeah the touchy and feely part of any

1486
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:36,559
sighting and it occurs to all of us i've

1487
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:39,920
seen ufos before and because of my

1488
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,480
familiarity with the field and my

1489
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:44,960
training as a scientist i was able to

1490
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:47,920
get the hard facts the time the duration

1491
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,480
the angles the angle of elevation

1492
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:52,240
and so on and so forth some of the other

1493
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:55,359
people who were with me are not as

1494
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:58,079
highly trained in scientific observation

1495
00:59:03,270 --> 00:58:59,839
as i may be

1496
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:03,280
and we had slightly different renditions

1497
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:06,240
with regard to how long it lasted

1498
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:08,319
how much of the sky the object covered

1499
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:09,920
during the five seconds that we

1500
00:59:14,470 --> 00:59:12,319
witnessed it and so on and so forth so

1501
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:14,480
it takes a little bit of training

1502
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:18,880
to be a really good observer of an event

1503
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:21,200
and report it factually and the problem

1504
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,599
we have with ufos is we can't predict

1505
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:25,920
when the event will occur so we can't

1506
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:27,599
always have the trained observer there

1507
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:30,000
but let me move on to phoenix lights and

1508
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,400
i don't want to beat a dead horse we had

1509
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:34,079
this covered

1510
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:35,760
a couple of three times in the early

1511
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:38,559
days of the power cast so looking at an

1512
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:42,960
event from the 1990s here in 2016

1513
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:45,200
what should we know today

1514
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:47,920
absent all the mysticism that has arisen

1515
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:48,960
about it

1516
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:50,960
about the phoenix lights and their

1517
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:54,640
impact in terms of ufo events yeah there

1518
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,559
are a couple things i can mention number

1519
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:57,839
one

1520
01:00:02,549 --> 00:59:59,920
we're going to have a convention up here

1521
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:02,559
in mcminnville oregon in mid-may

1522
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,760
of 2016 that will focus on the phoenix

1523
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:07,520
lights if anybody's particularly

1524
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,440
interested in that event and they should

1525
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:11,760
why up there and not in phoenix

1526
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:14,079
well because the mcminnville

1527
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:16,240
festival is held in mcminnville oregon

1528
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:18,400
southwest of portland and they've just

1529
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:20,880
taken an interest in it a lot of past

1530
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,799
speakers have alluded to it and they

1531
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:24,160
just decided that it would be

1532
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:26,480
interesting to focus on it and have all

1533
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:29,520
the speakers address or share with their

1534
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:31,680
audience what they

1535
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:34,480
experienced as a result of that mass

1536
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:36,799
sighting the other thing

1537
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:39,040
this is the take home message

1538
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:41,119
we have good evidence and i've played

1539
01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:44,000
this tape before of my conversation with

1540
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:46,480
the u.s air force airman who was

1541
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:49,280
involved in the scramble of two f-15

1542
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:50,319
fighters

1543
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:51,280
to

1544
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:52,400
pursue

1545
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,000
some of these objects that were being

1546
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:56,400
reported to the air force that thursday

1547
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:57,599
night

1548
01:01:01,349 --> 01:01:00,480
and the other message is

1549
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:01,359
that

1550
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,319
u.s military forces we have

1551
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:06,720
pretty good reason to believe were

1552
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:10,079
elevated from defense condition five

1553
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:11,760
which is the lowest

1554
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:13,200
condition

1555
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:14,880
in that system

1556
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:17,920
the military forces around the world i

1557
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:20,400
presume were elevated from defcon 5 to

1558
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:22,799
defcon 3 in one step

1559
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:25,359
also and i don't know if i've reported

1560
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:26,720
this on

1561
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:28,720
paracast before

1562
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:31,680
but we have reason to believe or

1563
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,200
suspicion

1564
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,520
to believe surmise

1565
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:37,440
that the injury that president william

1566
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,760
jefferson clinton sustained in florida

1567
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:41,040
that night

1568
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:44,079
may have been related to

1569
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,720
the declaration of the defcon 3. after

1570
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:48,720
all defcon 3

1571
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:50,880
i don't know much about defcon

1572
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:53,920
statuses but defcon 3 i'm told is one

1573
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,520
step short of global warfare okay so are

1574
01:02:03,270 --> 01:01:59,440
you saying then that he

1575
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:03,280
had this episode as a cover story

1576
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:05,359
one of

1577
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:05,760
where two possibilities

1578
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:07,200
hustling out of a room and he hit his

1579
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,640
head or something

1580
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:10,559
well it was his knee

1581
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:13,760
and he just allegedly sustained an

1582
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:14,880
injury

1583
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:17,440
that allegedly required him to be

1584
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:20,640
spirited back to the washington dc area

1585
01:02:27,510 --> 01:02:24,079
so he could undergo surgery on

1586
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:27,520
damaged ligaments i presume it was

1587
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:30,880
at the bethesda naval hospital well

1588
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:33,280
that's what the government says that's

1589
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,880
what bill clinton publicity manager says

1590
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:38,640
however let's look at it from a

1591
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,240
different vantage point

1592
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:42,799
the biggest ufo event in the history of

1593
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:44,960
ufology that's what the phoenix lights

1594
01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:45,760
were

1595
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:48,079
people from all over phoenix from

1596
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:50,000
surrounding communities in neighboring

1597
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:51,119
states

1598
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:54,480
were reporting gigantic objects that

1599
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:56,559
were not just streaking overhead they

1600
01:03:02,309 --> 01:02:59,200
were hovering overhead even governor

1601
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:02,319
fife symington finally ten years later

1602
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:05,920
thanks to the nice work by leslie keane

1603
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:07,680
admitted that he had one of these

1604
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:09,520
objects go over him that's a pretty

1605
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:12,400
reliable witness by my measure you know

1606
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:14,799
when it comes to a politician though

1607
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:16,960
i tend not to give them

1608
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:19,039
a lot of credibility especially because

1609
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:20,960
he had a very checkered

1610
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:23,280
history and speaking of bill clinton

1611
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:26,079
bill clinton actually pardoned him for

1612
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:28,079
the crimes of which he was convicted so

1613
01:03:31,829 --> 01:03:30,400
you know we could say yeah he admitted

1614
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:31,839
it later and maybe he was telling the

1615
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:32,799
truth

1616
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:34,960
but when it comes to politicians in

1617
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arizona just be cautious my friend

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as chris is weakening by the second here

1721
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:15,599
we have peter davenport at the national

1722
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:17,759
ufo reporting center understand i wasn't

1723
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:19,440
trying to denigrate the credibility of

1724
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:20,880
what you were saying

1725
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:22,560
just need to be realistic about the

1726
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:25,520
politicians well i think you were being

1727
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:28,080
justifiably cynical i just would like to

1728
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:30,400
remind listeners that i happen to be in

1729
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:31,920
casa grande

1730
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:34,719
just south about halfway about a third

1731
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:36,480
of the way from phoenix to tucson right

1732
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:37,839
off i-10

1733
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:41,440
watching the ncaa basketball tournament

1734
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:44,640
when the object flew directly over

1735
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:46,159
us and

1736
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:49,600
i went outside after seeing the

1737
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:52,560
you know the news uh break-in uh on

1738
01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:54,239
during a commercial break saying you

1739
01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:56,319
know having the guys standing there with

1740
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:59,120
the with the flares or whatever it was

1741
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:01,920
coming on over uh over phoenix and i'm

1742
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:03,920
thinking to myself oh my god and i ran

1743
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:05,279
outside and there were people out in the

1744
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:08,080
parking lot saying oh you missed it

1745
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,560
flew right over and i was i could have

1746
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:12,319
run outside and been right underneath it

1747
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:13,759
too but i was too busy watching

1748
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:16,080
basketball

1749
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:18,880
and interestingly chris thanks for that

1750
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:21,279
story but i would like all of that

1751
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:23,279
reduced to written form would love to

1752
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:25,359
get a report from you even though you

1753
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:28,159
didn't see it you were a witness to many

1754
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:30,159
many other people who did

1755
01:09:32,829 --> 01:09:30,880
yeah

1756
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:32,839
that's true one of the 19

1757
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:37,520
999 who have not reported a ufo event

1758
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:39,520
and would love to have that written down

1759
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,000
and uh shared with us yeah i happened to

1760
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:44,400
be working in casa grande i was down

1761
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:46,960
from colorado and yeah i was supposed to

1762
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:48,960
actually the following night have dinner

1763
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:50,080
with uh

1764
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:52,480
tom king and stephen greer and sherry

1765
01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:55,040
adamak and and bill hamilton and others

1766
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:58,400
and it just serendipity i was just too

1767
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:00,880
focused on on watching the i think it

1768
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:03,280
was the final four actually uh at that

1769
01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:05,199
point or it may have been the i think

1770
01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:08,000
asu was uh in the tournament that year

1771
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:10,719
one of the arizona schools and uh yeah

1772
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:12,480
there were people outside just like

1773
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:13,840
scratching their heads going the thing

1774
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:15,040
was huge

1775
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:18,159
i just you know to this day i i kick

1776
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:19,760
myself i could have could have really

1777
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:22,080
had you know deciding of a lifetime and

1778
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:23,360
and just

1779
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:24,480
oh well

1780
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:27,120
we have a very interesting report from a

1781
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:30,640
woman her husband their two children

1782
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,560
and her mother i think mother or

1783
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:34,080
mother-in-law was in the back with the

1784
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:36,080
two children they were driving to the

1785
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:38,560
northwest towards phoenix from

1786
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:41,760
tucson and they had the object that i

1787
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:44,400
suspect went over casa grande

1788
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:46,480
go right over them headed the other

1789
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,679
direction

1790
01:10:52,310 --> 01:10:49,440
they were below it

1791
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:52,320
for an estimated one to two minutes

1792
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:53,120
and

1793
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:55,440
stacy says you've probably heard about

1794
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:57,520
this gal maybe even had

1795
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:00,000
her on as a witness or a guest on the

1796
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:02,960
paracast but she reports

1797
01:11:07,510 --> 01:11:06,239
that it covered completely covered the

1798
01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:07,520
sky

1799
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:10,080
from almost from one horizon to the

1800
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:12,080
other as it went over them she

1801
01:11:18,830 --> 01:11:15,360
emphasizes how large it was i use her

1802
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,840
hand-drawn illustration in my slide

1803
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:20,400
presentations

1804
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:21,120
to

1805
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:23,199
let people know just how large that

1806
01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:25,840
object was but it went right down

1807
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:28,400
interstate 10 headed southeast towards

1808
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:30,800
tucson and went over casa grande they

1809
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:33,360
were in casa grande 2 when that object

1810
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:35,360
went over them we don't want chris to

1811
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:37,120
spank himself

1812
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:38,960
for missing it now i should point out i

1813
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:41,600
was living in scottsdale at the time

1814
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,000
i was busy writing a book about

1815
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:45,840
using computers

1816
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,159
and thus i had no

1817
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:50,880
concern about ufos

1818
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:52,640
didn't consider it maybe you saw it in

1819
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:55,760
the paper the very next day any case

1820
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:58,320
now after all these years is there

1821
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,320
anything new

1822
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,320
that has come out about the case beyond

1823
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:04,400
what we've already covered well what we

1824
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,000
learned about the case on the night of

1825
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:08,400
the event i would argue

1826
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,320
gives us enough evidence

1827
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:12,880
to recognize just how dramatic an event

1828
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:13,840
it was

1829
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:16,320
the event started in henderson nevada in

1830
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:18,320
the southeast corner of las vegas of

1831
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:19,360
course

1832
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:22,000
and those objects were seen by several

1833
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:25,360
witnesses to be flying to the southeast

1834
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:28,480
so it was not just a phoenix related

1835
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:29,600
event

1836
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,239
that was sort of a culmination maybe

1837
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:34,560
even an early stage

1838
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:38,640
of the event it was the event that chris

1839
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:40,960
just alluded to the fact that one of

1840
01:12:46,950 --> 01:12:43,679
these objects went down interstate 10

1841
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:46,960
went almost all the way as far as i know

1842
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:49,040
i don't know all of the details on the

1843
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:51,600
matter but went all the way to tucson

1844
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:54,159
because we had reports from people who

1845
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:56,560
were very close to davis-monthan air

1846
01:13:02,310 --> 01:12:59,199
force base which of course is just east

1847
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:02,320
of tucson right i think it took a it

1848
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:04,080
made a turn to the west and uh

1849
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:05,600
disappeared somewhere around yuma if i

1850
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:06,560
remember

1851
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,719
yeah and i was again it came all the way

1852
01:13:11,990 --> 01:13:10,400
down the prescott valley i mean it came

1853
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:12,000
down from ashford

1854
01:13:16,830 --> 01:13:14,080
all the way down chino valley prescott

1855
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:16,840
prescott valley dewey

1856
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:20,159
um skirted right on the uh eastern side

1857
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:22,080
of the bradshaw mountains

1858
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:24,400
um over the crown king area and then it

1859
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:26,159
it jogged over

1860
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:28,320
lake pleasant and then

1861
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,080
went kind of slightly west of um of

1862
01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:34,640
anthem in that area well the one thing i

1863
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:36,880
would say you're referring to it as if

1864
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:38,960
it was one object

1865
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:40,320
we have reason to believe that there

1866
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:43,360
were thanks to the very fine work by jim

1867
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:46,320
deletoso and dr the late dr michael

1868
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:49,600
tanner we have solid reason to believe

1869
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:51,600
that there were at least

1870
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:53,679
five objects and

1871
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:56,000
one thing that i like to share with an

1872
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:58,159
audience that may have interest in the

1873
01:14:01,189 --> 01:14:00,400
phoenix lights event a lot of people

1874
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,199
have

1875
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:03,440
been reporting for the last 19 years

1876
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:06,239
well they were very large maybe a mile

1877
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:09,120
in width now i would invite any of our

1878
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:10,719
listeners who has experience with

1879
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:13,120
trigonometry to do the following

1880
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:14,480
calculation

1881
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:17,040
the object that hovered above the

1882
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:19,920
camelback mountain area for an estimated

1883
01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:21,120
five minutes

1884
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:22,480
sue watson

1885
01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:24,320
and her four children

1886
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:26,719
sat on her lawn

1887
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:29,440
marveling at this huge object that was

1888
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,159
above them for an estimated five minutes

1889
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:34,239
before it suddenly jumped

1890
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:37,280
and went down towards sky harbor airport

1891
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:38,880
the object was

1892
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:41,360
we have reason to believe the f-1 of the

1893
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:44,719
f-15s intersect intercepted the object

1894
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:47,360
at ten thousand five hundred feet above

1895
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:48,640
ground level

1896
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:50,719
sue watson has estimated that it

1897
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:53,679
subtended as it sat above her home and

1898
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:55,199
they were sitting looking at it

1899
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:58,400
wondering what in god's name is this

1900
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:01,440
horrendous craft above their heads

1901
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:04,480
she estimates that it subtended an arc

1902
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:07,280
of about 135 degrees

1903
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:09,280
that's enough information to perform

1904
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:11,840
trigonometric calculation of its actual

1905
01:15:15,110 --> 01:15:13,280
width well you're talking something

1906
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:15,120
miles in with

1907
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:16,800
not less

1908
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:20,560
than 7.4 terrestrial statute miles in

1909
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:23,040
width you know just on the surface it

1910
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:25,600
almost sounds like the huge object seen

1911
01:15:29,110 --> 01:15:27,280
in the movie independence day the

1912
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:29,120
previous year

1913
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:32,080
oh frightening phoenix lights

1914
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,840
we'll have to get into

1915
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:35,520
that subject more

1916
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:37,520
detail in the future but there's so much

1917
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:39,760
to discuss with you peter i don't want

1918
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,239
to focus just on this we want to get

1919
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:44,400
back to fireballs for a moment chris

1920
01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:46,400
there's a long series of questions from

1921
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:48,800
polterworst about fireballs you want to

1922
01:15:51,910 --> 01:15:50,239
get to some of them now and then maybe a

1923
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:51,920
little bit more in our next segment we

1924
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:54,400
have actually about 30 seconds for this

1925
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:56,400
segment so let's just do the break and

1926
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:58,239
then we'll get ready to polterworth's

1927
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:00,320
questions i mean we can do a whole show

1928
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:02,960
on those because they are so detailed we

1929
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:05,440
have addressed some of it so sure so we

1930
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:07,360
can cover some of the rest and keep

1931
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:09,280
things going we want to tell you we have

1932
01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:11,600
peter davenport of the national ufo

1933
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:13,040
reporting center

1934
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:16,800
the power cast is closing in on 10 years

1935
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:19,520
on the air without interruption

1936
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:21,679
and on next week's episode we're going

1937
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:23,920
to honor that in some way it's going to

1938
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:25,840
be a surprise we'll get some surprise

1939
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:27,280
guests people you haven't heard in a

1940
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:30,000
while to cover 10 years of the power

1941
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:32,239
cast with gene and chris you're in the

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01:16:43,149 --> 01:16:42,229
thank you for listening to gcn

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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with gene and with chris on the power

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cast we're talking to peter davenport at

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the national ufo reporting center in

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addition to the focus on the phoenix

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lights we were also covering fireballs

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in relation to that chris there are

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some questions

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that you can ask from one of our

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regulars polterworst yeah he's one of

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our dedicated listeners in germany and a

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real supporter of the san luis valley

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camera project i might add

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and um he has a number of questions

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relating to the fireballs and he's

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wondering about foo fighters um he says

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that some descriptions seem to match

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01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:46,320
yellow or reddish fireballs uh during

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world war ii and he's wondering if

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there's a possible connection or could

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we be seeing something similar

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and

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or do you think he's asking if you think

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that this is something else entirely

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01:22:02,229 --> 01:21:59,840
well it's hard to say until we know what

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01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,239
the fireballs are and until we know what

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foo fighters are we can't really compare

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them very effectively but they certainly

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seem somewhat similar in the sense that

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in both instances

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they appeared to the percipients the

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witnesses

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to be

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sort of

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semi-transparent

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sources of

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bright illumination what they are

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is anybody's guess but i would remake

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the point the point i made earlier in

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the program

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the reason

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there's of such great interest

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is because we do not know what they are

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so it would be inappropriate for me i

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feel based on predicated on that

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statement that i've now made twice

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at the risk of boring our listeners

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01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:53,520
is uh it would be inappropriate for me

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to start

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01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:58,239
making definitive statements

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01:23:02,310 --> 01:22:59,760
i just don't know

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and i'm studying it because i don't know

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and reporting it to the american people

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to anybody who bothers to listen to what

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i have to say

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01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:10,800
well yeah we we really can't make a

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01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:12,719
determination it's even hard to

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to determine whether we're just looking

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at some sort of plasma

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um

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ionization effect or whether we're

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01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:22,639
actually looking at a physical uh craft

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01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:24,880
as opposed to a ball of energy

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01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:29,040
i've had a red a small red fireball

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01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:30,960
within a hundred feet of me traveling

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alongside my car over a fairly deep

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arroyo

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01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:37,040
and

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01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:39,040
it appeared to be about

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i don't know volleyball sized uh would

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be

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softball ball and volleyball sized

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uh you know i had a car full of you know

2121
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:50,560
my band was traveling back from the

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01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:52,320
studio and we saw this

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01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:54,400
uh and and that definitely looked like

2124
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:56,960
some sort of uh a ball of energy as

2125
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opposed to some sort of structured craft

2126
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:00,639
um here's another question from

2127
01:24:04,149 --> 01:24:02,880
polterworst um

2128
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:04,159
he's wondering

2129
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:05,920
he says there seems to be little footage

2130
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of lights or light formations behaving

2131
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:09,520
anonymously

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01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:10,560
i've

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01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:12,719
mentioned before an example on youtube

2134
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:15,280
of of one daylight video tape that i

2135
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:16,719
find very compelling

2136
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:18,320
but um

2137
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:20,000
he's wondering if researchers or

2138
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witnesses are keeping footage to

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themselves and

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01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:24,960
he he says for example if i listen to

2141
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:27,120
witnesses from has dallin there are many

2142
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:30,080
reports of intelligent maneuvers by or

2143
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:31,760
some sort of interaction with lights but

2144
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:33,920
not much in terms of video and we do

2145
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:35,760
know they do have video cameras set up

2146
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:37,520
there so he's wondering if if people are

2147
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:39,679
keeping some of this uh

2148
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:42,239
data under wraps until they can come up

2149
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:44,480
with a definitive conclusion hard for me

2150
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:46,960
to say if a person has seen one of these

2151
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:49,679
but hasn't reported it i don't know

2152
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:52,159
about it right it has to be reported for

2153
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:54,960
me to be able to do anything with it but

2154
01:25:10,070 --> 01:24:56,080
i

2155
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:10,080
ufocenter.com

2156
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:12,639
and scroll down case after case after

2157
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:14,960
case after case

2158
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:17,920
over the last four years and look at the

2159
01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:20,159
photographs and look at the video it's

2160
01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:22,480
almost as if i'm talking to a brick wall

2161
01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:25,280
some days we're into a vacuum but

2162
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i'm collecting the data and posting it

2163
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:29,280
free of charge

2164
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:31,040
and i'm not sure anybody's paying

2165
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:34,159
attention a few exceptions roger marsh

2166
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:36,800
is following our data pretty closely a

2167
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:39,120
few people in mufon are i'm sure the

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01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,679
government us government is

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01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:43,679
with uh

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attention riveted to the phenomenon and

2171
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:47,440
to the material i

2172
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:48,960
i post but

2173
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:50,960
i often wonder whether people are paying

2174
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:53,920
attention to hollywood productions i'm i

2175
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:56,080
get calls all the time from people say

2176
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:56,960
peter

2177
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:58,800
did you see such and such a broadcast

2178
01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:00,080
well first of all i don't have a

2179
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:02,239
television by choice

2180
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:04,880
secondly in some of those cases i'm

2181
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:07,199
actually in the program

2182
01:26:10,709 --> 01:26:08,880
so

2183
01:26:12,870 --> 01:26:10,719
that's certainly the case with regard to

2184
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:12,880
the phoenix lights from the early

2185
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:16,239
publicity about that event

2186
01:26:22,149 --> 01:26:19,040
so i would encourage the individual to

2187
01:26:24,629 --> 01:26:22,159
go to our website ufocenter.com

2188
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:24,639
and just start scrolling through posting

2189
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:26,960
after posting after posting

2190
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:30,000
no doubt dozens or hundreds of them send

2191
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:32,239
may of 2013

2192
01:26:37,189 --> 01:26:35,600
2012 make that yeah

2193
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:37,199
polterworts also is wondering about

2194
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:39,040
allison cruz are you familiar with her

2195
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:41,280
material she seems to record light

2196
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:42,960
phenomenon regularly

2197
01:26:48,149 --> 01:26:45,199
but also thinks they quote unquote might

2198
01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:48,159
be camouflaging as normal aircraft

2199
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:50,320
well i'd like to see your data i'd like

2200
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:52,239
to see her report i think she's up uh

2201
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:54,080
from the pacific northwest isn't she

2202
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:55,280
jean you

2203
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:57,360
uh does that ring a bell it doesn't i

2204
01:27:01,590 --> 01:26:59,360
shouldn't remember the name and

2205
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:01,600
allison cruz

2206
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:04,480
big forgiveness if i've met her and or

2207
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:07,520
seen her data and don't remember but

2208
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:09,199
there are a lot of people who are making

2209
01:27:13,669 --> 01:27:11,040
a lot of claims

2210
01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:13,679
and what distinguishes them from good

2211
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:16,400
hard science is evidence

2212
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:18,480
and she may have good footage

2213
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:20,000
but there are a lot of

2214
01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:23,280
a lot of videos i receive of lights most

2215
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:25,600
of them show lens flares from

2216
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:27,840
photographing a bright source of light

2217
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:30,239
either the sun or the moon that's the

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traditional type of photo i receive

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is a photograph showing a lens flare or

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video or still photos of sirius or

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venus or

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any of the other very bright objects in

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the nighttime sky

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airplane headlights coming at you with

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uh airplanes with landing lights on i

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saw that last night that had me going

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for about 20 seconds and then

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i realized oh boy he's coming into the

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prescott airport and he's just taking a

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01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:01,199
weird sort of jog i had one of those

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01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:03,920
experiences fairly recently too

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01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:07,199
probably a kc-135 was approaching

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fairchild air force base here not too

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far from where i'm located and i was

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watching it for five minutes it was a

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good long ways away

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and it had my attention

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and then once it got closer i could see

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the strobe lights and i could see the

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red and green marker lights on the port

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and starboard wings

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so but it had my attention for several

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minutes

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before i realized what i was looking at

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right

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well and that's uh that's important to

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uh to underscore that you really need to

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uh to observe carefully and uh from a

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dispassionate objective uh

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point of view and and you know wait for

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it to

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uh

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it's generally a

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a real sighting and this is not you know

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this is just kind of a general rule of

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thumb a real sighting is is much

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it happens much

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more quickly venus hanging in the sky

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and slowly setting in the west should be

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fairly easy to determine even for an

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untrained observer uh

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so you know you have to be careful and

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and take notes um i often uh try to

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remind my conference audiences and uh

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and my book readers to to keep a

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dedicated calendar in your office with

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large squares on it and if anything

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01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:24,880
anomalous happens uh in your

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neighborhood any strange weather

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anything that appears unusual just make

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a little note uh to yourself on your

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01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:33,679
calendar on the day in which it happens

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01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:36,080
put the duration the time and a brief

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01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:39,040
description of what it is and this will

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allow you later on to then refer back

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01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:44,719
and uh you know of course report uh any

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01:29:50,870 --> 01:29:47,600
anomalous sightings to peter but um when

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you look back later on and you start to

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01:29:54,709 --> 01:29:52,480
realize wow you know there's been some

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01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:54,719
things going on you have it there

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01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:57,520
written down so that you can immediately

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01:30:02,070 --> 01:29:59,360
uh your memory is jogged and you can

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01:30:03,350 --> 01:30:02,080
refer back to these uh to these you know

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01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:03,360
head scratchers that may seem

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inconsequential at the time

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so that's that's a real good technique

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that i found uh works very well

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um we have some other questions here

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before um

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before we go to break again

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and this comes from raven's fee

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let's do the break and then do the

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question okay

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all right we have more questions from

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our listeners some very

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very compelling questions to really

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advance this discussion we have peter

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davenport of the national ufo reporting

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we continue with your questions from the

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question bank at forum.thepowercast.com

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we have peter davenport of the national

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01:35:15,189 --> 01:35:12,800
ufo reporting center with us chris again

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01:35:17,590 --> 01:35:15,199
this comes from raven's fee she's a

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long-time listener from england

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01:35:21,590 --> 01:35:19,600
and she's wondering how does the ufo

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field take advantage of the big data

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techniques and cheap computing power

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that are now available to turn ufo

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01:35:30,070 --> 01:35:28,239
reports into meaningful information in

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other words data crunching we've been

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01:35:33,669 --> 01:35:31,840
hearing about jacques valet wanting to

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01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:33,679
put together the the ultimate super

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01:35:39,510 --> 01:35:36,639
database and and from time to time you

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01:35:41,910 --> 01:35:39,520
hear uh people you know make noises like

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01:35:43,990 --> 01:35:41,920
uh there's some sort of data crunching

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01:35:46,149 --> 01:35:44,000
going on have you attempted to do that

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01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:46,159
peter have you looked

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01:35:50,950 --> 01:35:48,159
at some sort of spreadsheet where you

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01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:50,960
can look at trends that sort of thing

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01:35:55,830 --> 01:35:53,520
well i haven't devoted a great deal of

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01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:55,840
time to that for several reasons number

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01:36:01,910 --> 01:35:59,600
one i'm not a computer guru and i'm too

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01:36:02,870 --> 01:36:01,920
busy taking reports

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and

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01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:10,159
but the other problem is i question

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01:36:15,110 --> 01:36:12,960
whether it's of any use at all

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01:36:17,030 --> 01:36:15,120
i get requests probably half a dozen

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01:36:18,149 --> 01:36:17,040
requests every week people want the

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database

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01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:20,080
well let me say right out of the blocks

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01:36:25,709 --> 01:36:23,040
that i've spent 22 years in a great deal

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01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:25,719
of my personal fortune collecting

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113 000 reports from the public i'm not

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anxious just to sign it off to anybody

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01:36:37,350 --> 01:36:34,719
who walks through the door or gives me a

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01:36:39,430 --> 01:36:37,360
call and expresses a desire to have the

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database obviously

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01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:41,679
but the other thing is i know the

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limitations of the data that are in the

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database

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01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:47,280
people find it very difficult one as

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01:36:50,870 --> 01:36:49,520
we've discussed already to submit a

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report at all

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01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:53,600
number two though is the question of how

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accurate they are people are constantly

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getting the date wrong

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the time wrong

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01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:03,760
getting facts all screwed up and garbage

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01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:05,280
in garbage out

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want to take all of those reports and

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01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:12,560
process them is exactly that and that's

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the term i usually use in responding to

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these requests

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is it's really a waste of time what what

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is the purpose of it

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and i can see none particularly people

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01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:27,520
say well i want a plot where the

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01:37:31,830 --> 01:37:29,199
sighting occurred and we'll track

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01:37:34,870 --> 01:37:31,840
sightings well if you're getting only

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one out of twenty thousand reports

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01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:37,760
you really don't have a sufficiently

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large sample

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of ufo sightings in general to be able

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to do anything of a particular interest

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or significance

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so probably the greatest thing we've

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done

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with technology is set up databases

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and

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set up online report forms so people

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shortly after they've seen

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a ufo can report it

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while they still remember the facts

2488
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:06,239
that's probably the greatest

2489
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:07,520
thing that the

2490
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:09,520
internet has done for us

2491
01:38:17,109 --> 01:38:11,600
is allow people to submit written

2492
01:38:18,629 --> 01:38:17,119
reports very quickly in a timely fashion

2493
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:18,639
also of course we've been using the

2494
01:38:23,350 --> 01:38:20,880
telephone for a long time but

2495
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:23,360
oral reports over the telephone are

2496
01:38:29,590 --> 01:38:26,880
almost of no use whatsoever i find

2497
01:38:31,990 --> 01:38:29,600
and the hardest thing the hardest aspect

2498
01:38:33,990 --> 01:38:32,000
of my job as director of the national

2499
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:34,000
ufo reporting center

2500
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:37,440
is trying to get people to write down

2501
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:40,000
the details of their sighting they want

2502
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:41,920
to talk and talk and talk they'll take

2503
01:38:46,229 --> 01:38:43,840
an hour of your time talking about their

2504
01:38:48,550 --> 01:38:46,239
sighting but when i say would you please

2505
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,560
take 5 or 10 or 15 minutes to write all

2506
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:50,159
these facts down

2507
01:38:54,790 --> 01:38:52,800
that's when you hit the brick wall i've

2508
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:54,800
never seen so many excuses in all my

2509
01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:57,440
life as to why a person cannot

2510
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:59,119
write down the facts that they want to

2511
01:39:02,470 --> 01:39:00,560
take an hour to tell you over the

2512
01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:02,480
telephone so

2513
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:05,360
i'm digressing here a little bit but the

2514
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:07,840
internet is probably the greatest boon

2515
01:39:10,550 --> 01:39:08,880
to

2516
01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:10,560
the ufo field

2517
01:39:14,149 --> 01:39:12,080
one of the things i would like to

2518
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:14,159
address a lot of people are saying well

2519
01:39:17,590 --> 01:39:16,320
we should use all these cell telephones

2520
01:39:20,310 --> 01:39:17,600
that are out there

2521
01:39:22,149 --> 01:39:20,320
for photographing objects and reporting

2522
01:39:24,709 --> 01:39:22,159
them and communicating

2523
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:24,719
about a given sighting

2524
01:39:28,870 --> 01:39:25,679
well

2525
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:28,880
i've received a lot of those reports

2526
01:39:31,910 --> 01:39:30,719
from cell telephone

2527
01:39:34,310 --> 01:39:31,920
owners

2528
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:34,320
and more often than not the quality of

2529
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:36,080
those reports is not very good they

2530
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:40,320
don't take the time to craft a written

2531
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:42,639
statement with all of the details where

2532
01:39:46,390 --> 01:39:44,960
they were what the time and date were

2533
01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:46,400
what direction they were looking the

2534
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:48,880
angle of elevation how big the object

2535
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:50,400
appeared to be

2536
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:52,480
relative to a star a planet or a full

2537
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:54,400
moon in the sky

2538
01:39:59,669 --> 01:39:56,960
that's what we need is the carefully

2539
01:40:01,350 --> 01:39:59,679
prepared report not the hastily

2540
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:01,360
submitted report

2541
01:40:06,790 --> 01:40:04,080
so technology may be actually

2542
01:40:08,950 --> 01:40:06,800
becoming a hindrance to the quality of

2543
01:40:10,870 --> 01:40:08,960
ufo reports

2544
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:10,880
well here's a question from william

2545
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:12,239
stratham

2546
01:40:17,109 --> 01:40:15,600
and it involves trace case incidents in

2547
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:17,119
recent years

2548
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:19,920
as an aside it seems to me based on my

2549
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:21,360
limited

2550
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:24,400
finger on the pulse of of siding events

2551
01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:26,480
that we're seeing less and less landings

2552
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:28,239
and that objects

2553
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:31,360
are tending to be reported i think

2554
01:40:36,550 --> 01:40:33,119
less

2555
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:36,560
proximity

2556
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:38,639
to witnesses they seem to be

2557
01:40:43,189 --> 01:40:40,639
staying further away or some is there

2558
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:43,199
truth to that and and

2559
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:44,960
have we had any real good quality

2560
01:40:50,709 --> 01:40:48,000
landing in trace cases recently well i

2561
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:50,719
just covered one last week on a late

2562
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:52,560
night radio talk show

2563
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:55,360
about a gentleman in colorado springs

2564
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:57,760
who alleges to have had some kind of

2565
01:41:02,950 --> 01:40:59,760
event occur in his bedroom where he and

2566
01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:02,960
his wife and their pet dog were sleeping

2567
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:05,360
my suspicion is that those cases are

2568
01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:07,040
taking place

2569
01:41:12,629 --> 01:41:09,760
but it's very difficult as i've reported

2570
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:12,639
already to get people to report these

2571
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:14,880
oftentimes they're so confused and

2572
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:16,400
flabbergasted by what they've

2573
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:18,080
experienced

2574
01:41:21,270 --> 01:41:18,960
that

2575
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:21,280
they just don't report them

2576
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:24,239
but there are

2577
01:41:28,229 --> 01:41:26,320
a lot of cases that i've covered and

2578
01:41:31,030 --> 01:41:28,239
presented on radio

2579
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:31,040
of sightings of objects that appeared to

2580
01:41:35,830 --> 01:41:33,520
have been very close to the witness

2581
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:35,840
i can think of a whole bunch of them

2582
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:38,480
one in particular comes from

2583
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:41,040
oklahoma northern oklahoma

2584
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:44,320
a woman was in a fog bank driving on an

2585
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:45,440
interstate

2586
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:46,800
and suddenly

2587
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:49,920
the fog surrounding her turned orange

2588
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:52,159
and just about that time she drove out

2589
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:53,360
of the

2590
01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:55,760
the cloud of fog and here

2591
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:59,119
are a number of orange objects hovering

2592
01:42:01,990 --> 01:42:01,199
directly above the interstate ahead of

2593
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:02,000
her

2594
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:09,119
to our center is posted on our home page

2595
01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:11,280
but i think those events are taking

2596
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:13,360
place it's just that it's very difficult

2597
01:42:17,430 --> 01:42:15,600
to get people to sit down and say yep

2598
01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:17,440
i'm going to report this one

2599
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:20,960
to an authority that can use it and post

2600
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:23,119
it and let the world know about it

2601
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:25,440
that leads me to think here that the

2602
01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:28,960
agencies the private agencies that are

2603
01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:31,600
set up to collect ufo information maybe

2604
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:33,679
aren't getting the word out i kind of

2605
01:42:39,189 --> 01:42:36,239
thought that mufon would stand some

2606
01:42:41,189 --> 01:42:39,199
success with that tv show but it doesn't

2607
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:41,199
seem to be working that way

2608
01:42:46,229 --> 01:42:44,080
yeah well the problem is

2609
01:42:47,910 --> 01:42:46,239
people have to be motivated and trying

2610
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:47,920
to motivate people

2611
01:42:52,149 --> 01:42:50,239
is one of the most difficult jobs that

2612
01:42:53,430 --> 01:42:52,159
any human being has

2613
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:53,440
people have to

2614
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:55,280
first of all recognize that they've seen

2615
01:42:59,669 --> 01:42:58,159
something that is unusual and deserves

2616
01:43:02,070 --> 01:42:59,679
reporting then they have to be

2617
01:43:04,070 --> 01:43:02,080
sufficiently motivated to find an

2618
01:43:06,310 --> 01:43:04,080
organization like the national ufo

2619
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:06,320
reporting center or mufon

2620
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:08,080
where they can report it

2621
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:10,000
and then they have to sit down and write

2622
01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:10,880
it out

2623
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:13,440
and spell check it and copy and paste it

2624
01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:14,800
into the form

2625
01:43:20,149 --> 01:43:17,520
this amount of work is a hurdle

2626
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:20,159
an insurmountable barrier for many

2627
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:22,480
people also the fact is that you don't

2628
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:23,199
see

2629
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:25,520
as much coverage

2630
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:28,239
of ufo cases in the media and we don't

2631
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:30,239
have print media like we used to have

2632
01:43:33,430 --> 01:43:32,239
it's all online so it's ephemeral it's

2633
01:43:35,669 --> 01:43:33,440
not something where you get the daily

2634
01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:35,679
newspaper and it sits there and it says

2635
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:37,360
ufo scene

2636
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:39,360
in the next town over and that's

2637
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:41,840
something you could refer to but if you

2638
01:43:45,910 --> 01:43:44,400
see a website with that information well

2639
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:45,920
you go to the next site and maybe you

2640
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:48,960
don't get back to it the permanence

2641
01:43:50,830 --> 01:43:50,159
of news

2642
01:43:55,109 --> 01:43:50,840
is

2643
01:43:58,070 --> 01:43:55,119
the news industry has changed

2644
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:58,080
dramatically in the last quarter century

2645
01:44:03,270 --> 01:44:00,239
and i'm not sure it benefits

2646
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:03,280
accurate meaningful reporting of the ufo

2647
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:05,520
phenomenon as you point out and i think

2648
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:07,440
it's a good observation

2649
01:44:13,430 --> 01:44:08,560
is

2650
01:44:16,149 --> 01:44:13,440
report one minute you try to go back to

2651
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:16,159
it ten minutes later and it's gone

2652
01:44:20,229 --> 01:44:17,920
and this happens with my wife all the

2653
01:44:21,910 --> 01:44:20,239
time she sees something on tv on one of

2654
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:21,920
the cable news networks and she says

2655
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:23,440
look that up

2656
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:26,560
and maybe i'll even go to the site

2657
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:29,040
that organization runs

2658
01:44:33,510 --> 01:44:30,960
and the site will be disorganized it

2659
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:33,520
won't be up to date the same people who

2660
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:35,920
are updating the news

2661
01:44:40,709 --> 01:44:38,480
on the tv show are not necessarily

2662
01:44:43,109 --> 01:44:40,719
updating the site and when they do it's

2663
01:44:44,950 --> 01:44:43,119
buried away somewhere that you have to

2664
01:44:48,070 --> 01:44:44,960
find it and again

2665
01:44:49,510 --> 01:44:48,080
there's no printed copy we seem to think

2666
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:49,520
that's important there's so much

2667
01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:51,360
information out there

2668
01:44:54,390 --> 01:44:53,600
but if you have the printed copy sitting

2669
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:54,400
there

2670
01:44:57,510 --> 01:44:56,480
the morning fish wrapper doesn't exist

2671
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:57,520
anymore

2672
01:45:02,470 --> 01:44:59,840
like it used to and if it does it's

2673
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:02,480
thinner there's less coverage the staff

2674
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:04,560
is smaller because there's not enough

2675
01:45:09,189 --> 01:45:07,440
advertising so therefore

2676
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:09,199
there's only so much content they could

2677
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:10,880
print affordably

2678
01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:12,639
we've got a lot more to cover as we

2679
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:14,960
continue with peter davenport of the

2680
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:17,360
national ufo reporting center with gene

2681
01:45:26,110 --> 01:45:20,480
and chris you're in the paracast

2682
01:45:29,990 --> 01:45:28,930
[Music]

2683
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:30,000
[Applause]

2684
01:45:34,830 --> 01:45:33,520
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01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:34,840
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2690
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2691
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2692
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2693
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2694
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2695
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difficult it is to find senior care for

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welcome back to the paracast the gold

2736
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:53,040
standard of paranormal radio

2737
01:47:57,610 --> 01:47:54,239
and now

2738
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:57,620
here's gene steinberg

2739
01:48:05,350 --> 01:48:03,030
with gene and chris in the power cast we

2740
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:05,360
have peter davenport of the national ufo

2741
01:48:09,430 --> 01:48:07,440
reporting center and we've had some

2742
01:48:12,709 --> 01:48:09,440
questions about databases so let's look

2743
01:48:14,950 --> 01:48:12,719
at that briefly here so we have huge

2744
01:48:17,109 --> 01:48:14,960
amounts of data that you have collected

2745
01:48:19,109 --> 01:48:17,119
over the years move on

2746
01:48:20,790 --> 01:48:19,119
all this information

2747
01:48:23,430 --> 01:48:20,800
are there efforts to

2748
01:48:25,510 --> 01:48:23,440
put everything in one big place i mean

2749
01:48:26,629 --> 01:48:25,520
with computer systems nowadays and

2750
01:48:29,189 --> 01:48:26,639
advanced

2751
01:48:32,470 --> 01:48:29,199
apps it should be easy to stick this all

2752
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:32,480
in one location what about it well on

2753
01:48:37,270 --> 01:48:34,719
the face of it that's a reasonable uh

2754
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:37,280
proposal but i invite you to consider

2755
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:39,040
how it looks from the vantage point of a

2756
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:40,400
person like me

2757
01:48:45,189 --> 01:48:43,600
who spent 22 years and a great deal of

2758
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:45,199
money collecting

2759
01:48:49,109 --> 01:48:47,199
over a hundred about a hundred and

2760
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:49,119
twelve thousand cases or a hundred and

2761
01:48:53,270 --> 01:48:51,360
thirteen thousand cases now

2762
01:48:55,669 --> 01:48:53,280
and somebody comes along says uh we'd

2763
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:55,679
like your database

2764
01:49:02,310 --> 01:48:58,800
for no compensation no remuneration

2765
01:49:04,709 --> 01:49:02,320
uh no thanks and so on and so forth and

2766
01:49:06,149 --> 01:49:04,719
it's the human factor that's involved in

2767
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:06,159
that plus

2768
01:49:10,629 --> 01:49:08,080
from a technical standpoint from a

2769
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:10,639
scientific standpoint

2770
01:49:15,590 --> 01:49:13,440
all of those reports have been collected

2771
01:49:16,709 --> 01:49:15,600
by different systems

2772
01:49:18,229 --> 01:49:16,719
and

2773
01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:18,239
that creates a

2774
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:19,760
problem from the standpoint of

2775
01:49:23,990 --> 01:49:21,360
continuity

2776
01:49:26,709 --> 01:49:24,000
or consistency so

2777
01:49:29,109 --> 01:49:26,719
yeah everybody would like access to my

2778
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:29,119
database they want me to just send a

2779
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:31,679
copy of it to them over the internet and

2780
01:49:36,310 --> 01:49:33,760
i'm not prepared to do that and i doubt

2781
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:36,320
that mufon would do that as well well we

2782
01:49:41,590 --> 01:49:38,320
know mufon won't do it but the problem

2783
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:41,600
here is we have separate actors here

2784
01:49:45,510 --> 01:49:43,679
collecting information

2785
01:49:47,189 --> 01:49:45,520
with their own information

2786
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:47,199
database

2787
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:49,360
and wouldn't there be a better chance of

2788
01:49:54,310 --> 01:49:51,840
figuring out what's going on if we could

2789
01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:54,320
pool our resources somehow i understand

2790
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:56,480
the limitations i understand look you've

2791
01:50:00,550 --> 01:49:58,639
spent your own money on this project you

2792
01:50:03,109 --> 01:50:00,560
just don't want to give away your work

2793
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:03,119
but for the greater good how do we get

2794
01:50:05,830 --> 01:50:04,800
it all together and figure out what's

2795
01:50:08,070 --> 01:50:05,840
going on

2796
01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:08,080
well the problem is the problem we

2797
01:50:13,189 --> 01:50:10,320
alluded to earlier and that is trying to

2798
01:50:15,590 --> 01:50:13,199
analyze this data through the use of

2799
01:50:17,830 --> 01:50:15,600
computers again the

2800
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:17,840
the big hurdles are the accuracy of the

2801
01:50:21,189 --> 01:50:20,320
data in the first place number two

2802
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:21,199
is

2803
01:50:28,390 --> 01:50:25,920
been collected

2804
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:28,400
we all have different questionnaires

2805
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:30,960
on the surface of it on the face of it

2806
01:50:36,149 --> 01:50:33,520
it's a reasonable proposal it's when you

2807
01:50:37,270 --> 01:50:36,159
get into the actual machinations of

2808
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:37,280
doing it

2809
01:50:43,990 --> 01:50:40,560
that i think you quickly see

2810
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:44,000
that there's very little to be gained by

2811
01:50:48,149 --> 01:50:46,080
computer analysis

2812
01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:48,159
of ufo reports

2813
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:51,440
because they're so heterogeneous and the

2814
01:50:55,990 --> 01:50:52,800
big issue

2815
01:50:57,189 --> 01:50:56,000
again is the issue of date and time

2816
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:57,199
most people

2817
01:51:02,149 --> 01:50:59,520
again if you if it's been more than a

2818
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:02,159
day or two since they're citing don't

2819
01:51:07,590 --> 01:51:05,040
remember the date and so trying to

2820
01:51:09,830 --> 01:51:07,600
analyze all this data when the data is

2821
01:51:12,310 --> 01:51:09,840
not accurate in the first place

2822
01:51:14,390 --> 01:51:12,320
the term again garbage in garbage out

2823
01:51:16,870 --> 01:51:14,400
comes to mind i'm not sure there's a

2824
01:51:19,270 --> 01:51:16,880
great deal to be gained by it so what do

2825
01:51:21,669 --> 01:51:19,280
we do with it how do we take all this

2826
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:21,679
stuff that's been accumulated and try to

2827
01:51:25,430 --> 01:51:24,000
get some answers because right now

2828
01:51:27,109 --> 01:51:25,440
as far as i'm concerned we really don't

2829
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:27,119
have answers we just have loads and

2830
01:51:32,070 --> 01:51:29,280
loads of mysteries i answered that

2831
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:32,080
question over 22 years ago with my

2832
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:35,520
proposal to use passive radar to detect

2833
01:51:40,550 --> 01:51:38,000
ufos i want to get into that but go

2834
01:51:42,709 --> 01:51:40,560
ahead this exactly what you said

2835
01:51:45,030 --> 01:51:42,719
occurred to me 22 years ago just a few

2836
01:51:47,990 --> 01:51:45,040
months after i'd taken over the national

2837
01:51:49,910 --> 01:51:48,000
ufo reporting center i actually panicked

2838
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:49,920
was in a panic state

2839
01:51:57,030 --> 01:51:53,520
about january of 1995 i took over the

2840
01:51:58,149 --> 01:51:57,040
hotline in august of 94. and when i took

2841
01:52:00,149 --> 01:51:58,159
it over

2842
01:52:03,030 --> 01:52:00,159
i really didn't know what i was doing to

2843
01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:03,040
myself and to my outlook on what reality

2844
01:52:05,990 --> 01:52:04,159
may be

2845
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:06,000
because i had no idea how much work it

2846
01:52:10,070 --> 01:52:07,840
was going to be when i accepted

2847
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:10,080
responsibility for the hotline from bob

2848
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:12,560
gribble its founder i assume that i

2849
01:52:18,310 --> 01:52:15,280
might be taking one or two or maybe

2850
01:52:20,550 --> 01:52:18,320
three calls per week not very many at

2851
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:20,560
all easily managed

2852
01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:22,880
before i knew it i was taking one two or

2853
01:52:27,669 --> 01:52:25,360
three dozen calls per day

2854
01:52:29,669 --> 01:52:27,679
so i was taking about two orders of

2855
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:29,679
magnitude more information than i

2856
01:52:35,270 --> 01:52:31,599
assumed would be the case

2857
01:52:37,669 --> 01:52:35,280
in january of 1995 in fact i can pin it

2858
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:37,679
down it was the friday before

2859
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:39,760
martin luther king weekend

2860
01:52:45,350 --> 01:52:43,199
i was asking myself how could we analyze

2861
01:52:47,030 --> 01:52:45,360
the ufo phenomenon

2862
01:52:48,310 --> 01:52:47,040
more efficiently

2863
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:48,320
and using

2864
01:52:52,629 --> 01:52:50,480
technology rather than

2865
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:52,639
weak eyewitness reports and fuzzy

2866
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:53,920
photographs

2867
01:52:57,910 --> 01:52:56,000
and that is when it hit me

2868
01:53:00,709 --> 01:52:57,920
that we could use what is known as

2869
01:53:02,550 --> 01:53:00,719
passive radar a phenomenon that

2870
01:53:03,990 --> 01:53:02,560
militaries have been working on for

2871
01:53:07,669 --> 01:53:04,000
decades

2872
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:07,679
to remotely detect the presence of a ufo

2873
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:10,239
and not only detect its presence but

2874
01:53:16,470 --> 01:53:13,040
track the ufo calculate its altitude its

2875
01:53:19,030 --> 01:53:16,480
velocity maybe to a degree its size

2876
01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:19,040
and i wrote a paper for the mufon

2877
01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:21,360
journal on the use of

2878
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:23,040
passive radar

2879
01:53:29,750 --> 01:53:26,480
i called it meteor communications radar

2880
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:29,760
or meteor detection radar at the time i

2881
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:31,920
really didn't know what it was called in

2882
01:53:35,350 --> 01:53:33,280
the industry

2883
01:53:36,550 --> 01:53:35,360
and i published an article in the mufon

2884
01:53:39,189 --> 01:53:36,560
journal

2885
01:53:41,589 --> 01:53:39,199
and it was about three months before i

2886
01:53:44,629 --> 01:53:41,599
even received a comment about the

2887
01:53:46,870 --> 01:53:44,639
article here i have solved the problem

2888
01:53:49,109 --> 01:53:46,880
of detecting ufos

2889
01:53:50,470 --> 01:53:49,119
not using eyewitnesses not using

2890
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:50,480
photographs

2891
01:53:57,430 --> 01:53:54,480
and it didn't create a stir or a ripple

2892
01:53:58,310 --> 01:53:57,440
in all of ufology apparently and i've

2893
01:54:00,310 --> 01:53:58,320
been

2894
01:54:02,629 --> 01:54:00,320
talking about this technology and i'll

2895
01:54:03,669 --> 01:54:02,639
describe it here in a minute if you like

2896
01:54:04,629 --> 01:54:03,679
sure

2897
01:54:07,350 --> 01:54:04,639
for

2898
01:54:10,550 --> 01:54:07,360
22 years been trying to raise the funds

2899
01:54:12,870 --> 01:54:10,560
to build a prototype prototypes already

2900
01:54:16,149 --> 01:54:12,880
exist for other applications for

2901
01:54:18,310 --> 01:54:16,159
detecting aircraft commercial aircraft

2902
01:54:20,470 --> 01:54:18,320
for detecting the trails the ionized

2903
01:54:25,030 --> 01:54:20,480
trails behind meteors

2904
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:25,040
and i have had about zero success

2905
01:54:30,950 --> 01:54:27,840
in generating interest even

2906
01:54:33,750 --> 01:54:30,960
in mufon uh july of 2008

2907
01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:33,760
during the mufon symposium i had a

2908
01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:36,960
telephone link up with the director the

2909
01:54:41,589 --> 01:54:39,360
international director and

2910
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:41,599
a bunch of state directors to describe

2911
01:54:46,149 --> 01:54:44,159
the technology once again

2912
01:54:47,669 --> 01:54:46,159
to move on and to offer some kind of

2913
01:54:49,750 --> 01:54:47,679
collaboration

2914
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:49,760
and it came to naught

2915
01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:50,400
but

2916
01:54:54,950 --> 01:54:52,320
it turns out that as you and i are

2917
01:54:58,149 --> 01:54:54,960
talking on this program this program is

2918
01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:58,159
being radiated out i presume off of an

2919
01:55:01,990 --> 01:54:59,440
antenna

2920
01:55:04,070 --> 01:55:02,000
and that signal that electromagnetic

2921
01:55:06,550 --> 01:55:04,080
signal is being radiated in all

2922
01:55:07,430 --> 01:55:06,560
directions it's more complicated than

2923
01:55:14,070 --> 01:55:07,440
that

2924
01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:14,080
the actual broadcast center sends it by

2925
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:15,280
satellite

2926
01:55:20,070 --> 01:55:17,280
it's picked up by the local stations

2927
01:55:21,750 --> 01:55:20,080
sure and then they broadcast them to the

2928
01:55:24,870 --> 01:55:21,760
listeners but we also have the show

2929
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:24,880
online so anyone online with access to

2930
01:55:28,950 --> 01:55:26,480
itunes or

2931
01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:28,960
tunein or ghost of the powercast.com can

2932
01:55:31,750 --> 01:55:31,360
download the

2933
01:55:32,709 --> 01:55:31,760
not episode

2934
01:55:34,629 --> 01:55:32,719
simple

2935
01:55:36,790 --> 01:55:34,639
i accept that the

2936
01:55:39,350 --> 01:55:36,800
actual administration of the program is

2937
01:55:40,709 --> 01:55:39,360
much more complicated than i understand

2938
01:55:43,510 --> 01:55:40,719
at this moment

2939
01:55:46,149 --> 01:55:43,520
however ultimately somewhere sometime

2940
01:55:48,149 --> 01:55:46,159
the program or any other program doesn't

2941
01:55:49,589 --> 01:55:48,159
matter whether it's this one or a

2942
01:55:51,990 --> 01:55:49,599
commercial radio

2943
01:55:53,669 --> 01:55:52,000
station or television station

2944
01:55:57,189 --> 01:55:53,679
is broadcasting

2945
01:56:00,310 --> 01:55:57,199
a signal off an antenna exactly that's

2946
01:56:03,030 --> 01:56:00,320
about two dozen stations around the u.s

2947
01:56:04,390 --> 01:56:03,040
for your program but there are hundreds

2948
01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:04,400
or thousands of

2949
01:56:09,669 --> 01:56:06,560
television stations across the united

2950
01:56:12,550 --> 01:56:09,679
states that we could use they broadcast

2951
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:12,560
a signal it's radiated out in the form

2952
01:56:16,470 --> 01:56:14,480
of radio or television waves they're all

2953
01:56:19,189 --> 01:56:16,480
the same of course

2954
01:56:21,030 --> 01:56:19,199
and that electromagnetic radiation

2955
01:56:23,990 --> 01:56:21,040
radiates in all direction goes out in

2956
01:56:24,870 --> 01:56:24,000
space if however there's something up

2957
01:56:27,990 --> 01:56:24,880
above

2958
01:56:29,510 --> 01:56:28,000
that radio station that reflects radio

2959
01:56:33,030 --> 01:56:29,520
waves

2960
01:56:36,950 --> 01:56:33,040
then you can build an array of antennas

2961
01:56:38,629 --> 01:56:36,960
that will receive the reflected signal

2962
01:56:42,229 --> 01:56:38,639
that's what we're looking for is the

2963
01:56:43,750 --> 01:56:42,239
reflection of the radiated signal we're

2964
01:56:46,550 --> 01:56:43,760
assuming then

2965
01:56:48,470 --> 01:56:46,560
that ufos whatever they might be and we

2966
01:56:49,750 --> 01:56:48,480
have to break for

2967
01:56:52,470 --> 01:56:49,760
a few moments

2968
01:56:55,350 --> 01:56:52,480
shortly we're assuming then that they

2969
01:56:57,270 --> 01:56:55,360
will reflect something not just light

2970
01:56:58,950 --> 01:56:57,280
that we could see them but they will

2971
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:58,960
reflect something

2972
01:57:01,589 --> 01:56:59,760
that

2973
01:57:03,910 --> 01:57:01,599
we can detect

2974
01:57:06,550 --> 01:57:03,920
at least directly or indirectly and

2975
01:57:08,310 --> 01:57:06,560
therefore know of their presence am i

2976
01:57:10,310 --> 01:57:08,320
getting it right don't answer now just

2977
01:57:12,390 --> 01:57:10,320
hold on for a second we'll pick it up

2978
01:57:14,790 --> 01:57:12,400
after the break we'll talk about passive

2979
01:57:16,229 --> 01:57:14,800
radar and ufo detection systems and i

2980
01:57:18,310 --> 01:57:16,239
will bring up

2981
01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:18,320
others who are trying to do some kind of

2982
01:57:23,510 --> 01:57:21,440
ufo detection program such as ufo data

2983
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i'm going to ask you about that after

2984
01:57:28,229 --> 01:57:25,840
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so on the powercast with gene and chris

3084
02:02:05,830 --> 02:02:03,599
we have peter davenport at the national

3085
02:02:07,589 --> 02:02:05,840
ufo reporting center question on the

3086
02:02:09,270 --> 02:02:07,599
table with a passive

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02:02:11,109 --> 02:02:09,280
detection system

3088
02:02:13,750 --> 02:02:11,119
we have to assume then

3089
02:02:16,550 --> 02:02:13,760
for the sake of argument that ufos are

3090
02:02:17,510 --> 02:02:16,560
reflecting something we can detect in

3091
02:02:19,830 --> 02:02:17,520
that way

3092
02:02:21,589 --> 02:02:19,840
yep well that's a reasonable assumption

3093
02:02:24,390 --> 02:02:21,599
because we know

3094
02:02:26,310 --> 02:02:24,400
from radar visual cases that some at

3095
02:02:28,310 --> 02:02:26,320
least some

3096
02:02:31,750 --> 02:02:28,320
ufos reflect

3097
02:02:34,149 --> 02:02:31,760
radio waves reflect radar signals

3098
02:02:36,629 --> 02:02:34,159
no doubt about that whatsoever

3099
02:02:40,229 --> 02:02:36,639
so based on that we know that we can

3100
02:02:43,510 --> 02:02:40,239
detect some ufos using a passive radar

3101
02:02:45,589 --> 02:02:43,520
system let me describe one as an example

3102
02:02:46,550 --> 02:02:45,599
for our listeners so they can understand

3103
02:02:48,149 --> 02:02:46,560
what i'm

3104
02:02:51,350 --> 02:02:48,159
proposing here

3105
02:02:52,790 --> 02:02:51,360
i live about 200 miles east of seattle

3106
02:02:56,709 --> 02:02:52,800
and there's a range of mountains the

3107
02:02:58,470 --> 02:02:56,719
cascade mountains between me and seattle

3108
02:03:01,669 --> 02:02:58,480
so if i tune

3109
02:03:04,229 --> 02:03:01,679
a radio to one of the radio or

3110
02:03:05,990 --> 02:03:04,239
television stations in seattle let's use

3111
02:03:09,510 --> 02:03:06,000
a radio station

3112
02:03:12,550 --> 02:03:09,520
under virtually all circumstances i am

3113
02:03:14,870 --> 02:03:12,560
unable to tune that radio to be able to

3114
02:03:16,550 --> 02:03:14,880
hear that transmitted signal one because

3115
02:03:18,390 --> 02:03:16,560
of the distance

3116
02:03:20,550 --> 02:03:18,400
and number two because there are

3117
02:03:23,109 --> 02:03:20,560
mountains between me

3118
02:03:25,109 --> 02:03:23,119
and the radio transmitter

3119
02:03:28,149 --> 02:03:25,119
or radio antenna

3120
02:03:30,550 --> 02:03:28,159
that prevent that signal from reaching

3121
02:03:32,870 --> 02:03:30,560
the antenna on my receiver here 200

3122
02:03:36,870 --> 02:03:32,880
miles east of seattle

3123
02:03:38,550 --> 02:03:36,880
however if something flies over the

3124
02:03:39,990 --> 02:03:38,560
cascade mountains

3125
02:03:42,790 --> 02:03:40,000
an airplane

3126
02:03:45,910 --> 02:03:42,800
a flock of migratory birds

3127
02:03:49,109 --> 02:03:45,920
a metalized balloon or something along

3128
02:03:52,470 --> 02:03:49,119
those lines it is in line of sight of

3129
02:03:55,830 --> 02:03:52,480
not only the radio antenna the radio

3130
02:03:59,350 --> 02:03:55,840
transmitter antenna but my and receiver

3131
02:04:01,589 --> 02:03:59,360
antennas as well and it will reflect

3132
02:04:04,390 --> 02:04:01,599
that transmitted signal

3133
02:04:07,270 --> 02:04:04,400
so suddenly my antennas are picking up

3134
02:04:09,109 --> 02:04:07,280
the signal from 200 miles away i think

3135
02:04:11,350 --> 02:04:09,119
this is pretty straightforward nothing

3136
02:04:13,510 --> 02:04:11,360
complicated about this

3137
02:04:15,830 --> 02:04:13,520
then what you can do

3138
02:04:18,790 --> 02:04:15,840
if you have an array of antennas that

3139
02:04:20,870 --> 02:04:18,800
allow you to triangulate on the source

3140
02:04:23,350 --> 02:04:20,880
of that reflected signal you can track

3141
02:04:26,149 --> 02:04:23,360
it you can measure its location 10 or

3142
02:04:28,550 --> 02:04:26,159
100 times a second and you can calculate

3143
02:04:31,510 --> 02:04:28,560
its velocity you can calculate its

3144
02:04:34,229 --> 02:04:31,520
location you can calculate to a degree

3145
02:04:36,950 --> 02:04:34,239
its size depending on the frequency of

3146
02:04:40,070 --> 02:04:36,960
the transmitted and reflected signals

3147
02:04:42,229 --> 02:04:40,080
you can essentially detect something now

3148
02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:42,239
again that something

3149
02:04:46,470 --> 02:04:44,400
could be an airliner it could be a

3150
02:04:49,510 --> 02:04:46,480
satellite up outside the

3151
02:04:51,750 --> 02:04:49,520
earth's atmosphere it could be a flock

3152
02:04:52,629 --> 02:04:51,760
of migratory birds or any number of

3153
02:04:54,950 --> 02:04:52,639
things

3154
02:04:58,310 --> 02:04:54,960
reflect signals this is why

3155
02:05:01,350 --> 02:04:58,320
weather radar is very useful because

3156
02:05:03,910 --> 02:05:01,360
rain clouds and tornadoes and all sorts

3157
02:05:07,589 --> 02:05:03,920
of meteorological phenomena

3158
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:07,599
reflect radar signals but then you can

3159
02:05:13,350 --> 02:05:09,840
start to discriminate if it's moving at

3160
02:05:14,470 --> 02:05:13,360
500 knots and it's at 30 000 feet it's

3161
02:05:18,070 --> 02:05:14,480
probably

3162
02:05:20,470 --> 02:05:18,080
an airliner if it's at say 5000 feet and

3163
02:05:23,830 --> 02:05:20,480
it's moving at 45 miles an hour it's

3164
02:05:26,229 --> 02:05:23,840
probably a flock of geese however if

3165
02:05:28,709 --> 02:05:26,239
it's at 50 miles above the surface of

3166
02:05:30,870 --> 02:05:28,719
the planet and it's doing 20 000

3167
02:05:33,990 --> 02:05:30,880
kilometers a second and it does a right

3168
02:05:36,709 --> 02:05:34,000
angle turn it's probably not a canadian

3169
02:05:39,189 --> 02:05:36,719
goose so that is what i've proposed i've

3170
02:05:42,790 --> 02:05:39,199
been talking about this phenomenon and

3171
02:05:44,470 --> 02:05:42,800
technology for 22 years and have had

3172
02:05:47,109 --> 02:05:44,480
essentially

3173
02:05:49,669 --> 02:05:47,119
no interest in it it absolutely

3174
02:05:52,950 --> 02:05:49,679
flabbergasts and frustrates me that

3175
02:05:54,709 --> 02:05:52,960
nobody seems to be paying attention they

3176
02:05:58,070 --> 02:05:54,719
most people want to continue talking

3177
02:06:00,790 --> 02:05:58,080
about bad ufo reports and fuzzy

3178
02:06:02,470 --> 02:06:00,800
photographs rather than doing

3179
02:06:06,070 --> 02:06:02,480
the hard work

3180
02:06:07,990 --> 02:06:06,080
to have a ufo detection system that

3181
02:06:09,589 --> 02:06:08,000
would allow a person to sit in front of

3182
02:06:13,830 --> 02:06:09,599
his computer screen

3183
02:06:16,070 --> 02:06:13,840
and watch for actual ufos flying in that

3184
02:06:19,030 --> 02:06:16,080
person's proximity say within a thousand

3185
02:06:20,229 --> 02:06:19,040
miles or so you're aware of the ufo data

3186
02:06:22,870 --> 02:06:20,239
project

3187
02:06:24,709 --> 02:06:22,880
from mark rodiger and leslie kane and

3188
02:06:25,830 --> 02:06:24,719
several others

3189
02:06:28,709 --> 02:06:25,840
so how

3190
02:06:30,310 --> 02:06:28,719
do you feel your project

3191
02:06:31,669 --> 02:06:30,320
might coordinate with theirs if we're

3192
02:06:34,310 --> 02:06:31,679
going to do this we're going to do it

3193
02:06:37,030 --> 02:06:34,320
somehow well they should be aware of my

3194
02:06:40,310 --> 02:06:37,040
technology and i'm probably remiss and

3195
02:06:43,589 --> 02:06:40,320
not having contacted them to make sure

3196
02:06:45,910 --> 02:06:43,599
that they're aware of my proposal phd

3197
02:06:46,870 --> 02:06:45,920
scientists have contacted me and said

3198
02:06:49,430 --> 02:06:46,880
whoa

3199
02:06:51,270 --> 02:06:49,440
that's a better mousetrap peter it will

3200
02:06:54,390 --> 02:06:51,280
work i've worked on passive radar

3201
02:06:57,430 --> 02:06:54,400
systems before why they haven't included

3202
02:06:59,750 --> 02:06:57,440
me in that community of

3203
02:07:01,430 --> 02:06:59,760
advocates for detecting ufos i don't

3204
02:07:04,310 --> 02:07:01,440
know but again

3205
02:07:06,149 --> 02:07:04,320
it may be i who has been remiss and not

3206
02:07:08,470 --> 02:07:06,159
contacting them i've been aware of their

3207
02:07:10,629 --> 02:07:08,480
project for several months now i just

3208
02:07:12,470 --> 02:07:10,639
haven't sent them a

3209
02:07:14,629 --> 02:07:12,480
communication to

3210
02:07:16,310 --> 02:07:14,639
apprise them of my technology but they

3211
02:07:18,790 --> 02:07:16,320
should be aware of it i've been talking

3212
02:07:21,669 --> 02:07:18,800
about it for 22 years

3213
02:07:25,109 --> 02:07:21,679
in 2004 i lectured on the technology i

3214
02:07:28,709 --> 02:07:25,119
devoted my whole presentation before

3215
02:07:31,510 --> 02:07:28,719
the mufon symposium in denver july of

3216
02:07:33,270 --> 02:07:31,520
2004 to this subject if they're not

3217
02:07:35,910 --> 02:07:33,280
aware of the technology that i've

3218
02:07:38,310 --> 02:07:35,920
proposed they may not be paying too

3219
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:38,320
close attention to the ufo field why

3220
02:07:42,629 --> 02:07:40,800
assume anything why don't you and this

3221
02:07:44,950 --> 02:07:42,639
is your assignment should you decide to

3222
02:07:46,470 --> 02:07:44,960
accept it contact them

3223
02:07:48,069 --> 02:07:46,480
tell them what you have

3224
02:07:49,830 --> 02:07:48,079
give them a couple of references maybe

3225
02:07:51,430 --> 02:07:49,840
they could look it up and see if there's

3226
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:51,440
a way to coordinate efforts because

3227
02:07:55,510 --> 02:07:53,280
right now nothing's happening you made

3228
02:07:57,990 --> 02:07:55,520
this proposal years ago it's not being

3229
02:07:59,990 --> 02:07:58,000
picked up and they're making a proposal

3230
02:08:00,709 --> 02:08:00,000
for which they'd like donations to set

3231
02:08:03,510 --> 02:08:00,719
up

3232
02:08:05,510 --> 02:08:03,520
ufo detection systems now obviously

3233
02:08:08,149 --> 02:08:05,520
theirs doesn't read to me like passive

3234
02:08:10,470 --> 02:08:08,159
radar but i'm not an engineer it doesn't

3235
02:08:11,910 --> 02:08:10,480
matter someone's trying to do something

3236
02:08:14,149 --> 02:08:11,920
don't you think we all have to work

3237
02:08:15,270 --> 02:08:14,159
together i've already proposed it to

3238
02:08:16,950 --> 02:08:15,280
mufon

3239
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:16,960
i think several of those people are

3240
02:08:20,229 --> 02:08:18,320
probably

3241
02:08:22,709 --> 02:08:20,239
members of mufon they get the mufon

3242
02:08:25,109 --> 02:08:22,719
journal i've published two articles on

3243
02:08:28,550 --> 02:08:25,119
the subject for mufon

3244
02:08:30,470 --> 02:08:28,560
but your point is well taken and as i

3245
02:08:33,350 --> 02:08:30,480
prefaced by this

3246
02:08:35,669 --> 02:08:33,360
at this remark i'm probably remiss and

3247
02:08:37,430 --> 02:08:35,679
not having communicated with them right

3248
02:08:39,589 --> 02:08:37,440
now i'm in

3249
02:08:41,910 --> 02:08:39,599
overwhelmed condition

3250
02:08:43,830 --> 02:08:41,920
i work two shifts a day seven days a

3251
02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:43,840
week for no pay

3252
02:08:47,510 --> 02:08:46,320
to process the flow of reports that are

3253
02:08:50,709 --> 02:08:47,520
coming to me

3254
02:08:52,069 --> 02:08:50,719
and to get them posted so people can can

3255
02:08:53,910 --> 02:08:52,079
share in them

3256
02:08:56,069 --> 02:08:53,920
yes but right now and i'm going to be

3257
02:08:58,069 --> 02:08:56,079
the devil's advocate here

3258
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:58,079
all those reports aren't doing anything

3259
02:09:02,629 --> 02:09:00,000
for anyone it's just a source of

3260
02:09:05,109 --> 02:09:02,639
information you've got to disagree well

3261
02:09:06,709 --> 02:09:05,119
all right but what is being done to take

3262
02:09:07,510 --> 02:09:06,719
that information

3263
02:09:10,950 --> 02:09:07,520
and

3264
02:09:12,550 --> 02:09:10,960
bring us to some answers just having

3265
02:09:13,750 --> 02:09:12,560
a hundred thousand sightings where is

3266
02:09:15,589 --> 02:09:13,760
that taking us

3267
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:15,599
well for one thing you haven't talked to

3268
02:09:20,149 --> 02:09:17,920
the people who call the hotline and say

3269
02:09:22,069 --> 02:09:20,159
boy you don't know how relieved i am mr

3270
02:09:25,030 --> 02:09:22,079
davenport for me to be able to read a

3271
02:09:26,790 --> 02:09:25,040
report in which a person describes

3272
02:09:29,030 --> 02:09:26,800
something very similar to what i just

3273
02:09:31,589 --> 02:09:29,040
saw 10 minutes ago okay so we're

3274
02:09:34,310 --> 02:09:31,599
basically making people feel good

3275
02:09:36,629 --> 02:09:34,320
about their sayings oh i'm not alone all

3276
02:09:38,149 --> 02:09:36,639
these people have reported things

3277
02:09:40,629 --> 02:09:38,159
here's all the data

3278
02:09:42,790 --> 02:09:40,639
that's fine so we make people feel

3279
02:09:44,709 --> 02:09:42,800
better than not alone in having

3280
02:09:46,069 --> 02:09:44,719
experiences of this nature

3281
02:09:49,430 --> 02:09:46,079
but at this point from what you're

3282
02:09:51,270 --> 02:09:49,440
telling me this data is very imperfect

3283
02:09:53,510 --> 02:09:51,280
very incomplete because we can't get

3284
02:09:56,629 --> 02:09:53,520
everything together because of the

3285
02:09:59,510 --> 02:09:56,639
imprecision of human observation the

3286
02:10:02,790 --> 02:09:59,520
only way to get answers more than likely

3287
02:10:05,350 --> 02:10:02,800
is to have some way to catch ufos in the

3288
02:10:07,430 --> 02:10:05,360
act unless they do something overt to

3289
02:10:09,669 --> 02:10:07,440
make their existence known in a way they

3290
02:10:12,310 --> 02:10:09,679
can't be denied and we find out what

3291
02:10:14,629 --> 02:10:12,320
they are let's i'm going to ask you to

3292
02:10:15,669 --> 02:10:14,639
have that answer and hold on for just a

3293
02:10:17,750 --> 02:10:15,679
second

3294
02:10:20,149 --> 02:10:17,760
peter davenport of the national ufo

3295
02:10:22,149 --> 02:10:20,159
reporting center is joining us

3296
02:10:28,350 --> 02:10:22,159
with gene and chris you're in the bearer

3297
02:10:32,950 --> 02:10:29,430
[Applause]

3298
02:10:35,700 --> 02:10:32,960
thank you for listening to gcn

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i raised the devil's advocates question

3409
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here

3410
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peter davenport at the national ufo

3411
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reporting center i know you have a

3412
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response

3413
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yeah of course i do

3414
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your question is a good one and i have a

3415
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good answer for you we can do everything

3416
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you advocate if we have a staff and a

3417
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budget do you have a staff and budget

3418
02:15:19,510 --> 02:15:18,480
for us i don't have a staffing budget

3419
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for me

3420
02:15:23,589 --> 02:15:21,599
i'm in the same condition gene you've

3421
02:15:26,390 --> 02:15:23,599
just addre you've gone to the heart of

3422
02:15:28,629 --> 02:15:26,400
the issue everything i've done over the

3423
02:15:30,390 --> 02:15:28,639
last 22 years at the national ufo

3424
02:15:33,109 --> 02:15:30,400
reporting center almost everything has

3425
02:15:35,669 --> 02:15:33,119
been funded almost exclusively by me

3426
02:15:38,310 --> 02:15:35,679
with the exception of a few honoraria a

3427
02:15:40,669 --> 02:15:38,320
few grants from generous organizations

3428
02:15:43,189 --> 02:15:40,679
and so on i've been fundraising

3429
02:15:46,470 --> 02:15:43,199
continuously or attempting to raise

3430
02:15:49,030 --> 02:15:46,480
funds for 22 years the only problem with

3431
02:15:51,510 --> 02:15:49,040
that is i've been unsuccessful in having

3432
02:15:53,910 --> 02:15:51,520
done so i've been to four billionaires

3433
02:15:56,310 --> 02:15:53,920
i've been to a number of organizations

3434
02:15:57,750 --> 02:15:56,320
i've been to a number of universities

3435
02:15:59,990 --> 02:15:57,760
requesting

3436
02:16:03,109 --> 02:16:00,000
some kind of support whatever they want

3437
02:16:05,430 --> 02:16:03,119
even if it's just setting up a section

3438
02:16:09,430 --> 02:16:05,440
in their university library dedicated to

3439
02:16:11,510 --> 02:16:09,440
ufos i've had zero success i've been to

3440
02:16:14,149 --> 02:16:11,520
bigelow i've been to gates i've been to

3441
02:16:15,350 --> 02:16:14,159
allen i've been to rockefeller and i

3442
02:16:19,109 --> 02:16:15,360
don't know what these people are

3443
02:16:21,910 --> 02:16:19,119
thinking they profess interest in ufos

3444
02:16:24,550 --> 02:16:21,920
however they don't seem to be willing to

3445
02:16:27,830 --> 02:16:24,560
make even a small amount of money

3446
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available that would allow us to vastly

3447
02:16:32,469 --> 02:16:29,760
vastly increase

3448
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our capability and our scope of

3449
02:16:36,070 --> 02:16:33,760
activities

3450
02:16:37,030 --> 02:16:36,080
so your question is a good one and it's

3451
02:16:39,750 --> 02:16:37,040
very

3452
02:16:41,190 --> 02:16:39,760
readily stated and easily stated my

3453
02:16:44,549 --> 02:16:41,200
response is

3454
02:16:46,629 --> 02:16:44,559
if you think that we could be doing more

3455
02:16:48,870 --> 02:16:46,639
provide me with the resource that will

3456
02:16:51,429 --> 02:16:48,880
allow me to do it but you won't give it

3457
02:16:53,509 --> 02:16:51,439
off to a scientific organization who

3458
02:16:55,750 --> 02:16:53,519
contacted you and said look we don't

3459
02:16:57,750 --> 02:16:55,760
have a lot of money but we've got eager

3460
02:16:59,830 --> 02:16:57,760
beavers who are willing to go through

3461
02:17:02,230 --> 02:16:59,840
your data and try to find something

3462
02:17:04,230 --> 02:17:02,240
would you give it to them well would you

3463
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:04,240
give your archives to the next person

3464
02:17:08,389 --> 02:17:06,080
who contacts you and wants control of

3465
02:17:11,429 --> 02:17:08,399
them well the archives are freely

3466
02:17:14,230 --> 02:17:11,439
available to download and all of my data

3467
02:17:16,629 --> 02:17:14,240
is available on the website for people

3468
02:17:19,830 --> 02:17:16,639
to share in but i would like to know the

3469
02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:19,840
details of how the data will be used how

3470
02:17:24,709 --> 02:17:22,559
it will be protected how the identities

3471
02:17:27,110 --> 02:17:24,719
of the people who submitted the data

3472
02:17:29,669 --> 02:17:27,120
will be protected so it's they're not

3473
02:17:32,309 --> 02:17:29,679
featured in a front page article in a

3474
02:17:35,110 --> 02:17:32,319
major newspaper that's the special

3475
02:17:37,750 --> 02:17:35,120
responsibility i have mufon has the same

3476
02:17:39,030 --> 02:17:37,760
responsibility but your point is a good

3477
02:17:41,509 --> 02:17:39,040
one but i

3478
02:17:43,190 --> 02:17:41,519
again invite you to consider the human

3479
02:17:46,150 --> 02:17:43,200
factor involved

3480
02:17:48,950 --> 02:17:46,160
people after they've spent 22 years of

3481
02:17:51,669 --> 02:17:48,960
their lives in my case and a great deal

3482
02:17:54,150 --> 02:17:51,679
of their treasury to collect the data

3483
02:17:55,910 --> 02:17:54,160
are not willing to just give it away

3484
02:17:58,070 --> 02:17:55,920
willy-nilly to the first person who

3485
02:17:59,190 --> 02:17:58,080
saunters by and says i want that

3486
02:18:02,230 --> 02:17:59,200
database

3487
02:18:03,830 --> 02:18:02,240
i understand they have to do a lot of

3488
02:18:06,309 --> 02:18:03,840
leg work and

3489
02:18:07,990 --> 02:18:06,319
make steps to protect the people but

3490
02:18:10,389 --> 02:18:08,000
when you come to an organization like

3491
02:18:12,469 --> 02:18:10,399
mufon that has hundreds thousands of

3492
02:18:15,589 --> 02:18:12,479
people who are paid members

3493
02:18:17,429 --> 02:18:15,599
field investigators they're not doing a

3494
02:18:20,309 --> 02:18:17,439
thing with their data forget about you

3495
02:18:21,990 --> 02:18:20,319
you're one lone actor oh they are lufon

3496
02:18:24,950 --> 02:18:22,000
is doing nothing that i could see what

3497
02:18:27,349 --> 02:18:24,960
is mufon doing to put that together and

3498
02:18:30,549 --> 02:18:27,359
figure out what's going on what do they

3499
02:18:32,230 --> 02:18:30,559
know about ufos that they didn't know in

3500
02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:32,240
1969

3501
02:18:36,790 --> 02:18:35,040
i think mufon is doing a great job with

3502
02:18:40,389 --> 02:18:36,800
informing the public

3503
02:18:43,509 --> 02:18:40,399
of what's going on the first step in any

3504
02:18:46,790 --> 02:18:43,519
scientific process or investigation is

3505
02:18:49,270 --> 02:18:46,800
first to collect data now how much we

3506
02:18:51,270 --> 02:18:49,280
can do with that data and how convincing

3507
02:18:53,509 --> 02:18:51,280
it may be to some people i cannot

3508
02:18:55,190 --> 02:18:53,519
predict but they're doing exactly what

3509
02:18:57,669 --> 02:18:55,200
any scientist

3510
02:19:00,070 --> 02:18:57,679
should be doing and that is assessing

3511
02:19:02,709 --> 02:19:00,080
what's going on out there if you have a

3512
02:19:05,190 --> 02:19:02,719
theory that all fish are golden trout

3513
02:19:07,669 --> 02:19:05,200
the first thing you have to do is go in

3514
02:19:10,709 --> 02:19:07,679
to a lake or any body of water and start

3515
02:19:13,589 --> 02:19:10,719
fishing and capturing fish to test your

3516
02:19:15,429 --> 02:19:13,599
theory you quickly discover that not all

3517
02:19:18,389 --> 02:19:15,439
fish are golden trout there are other

3518
02:19:21,830 --> 02:19:18,399
types of fishes as an example i cite

3519
02:19:25,030 --> 02:19:21,840
that as a fisheries biologist uh okay

3520
02:19:28,230 --> 02:19:25,040
but mufon has been around 47 years with

3521
02:19:31,030 --> 02:19:28,240
this data all right and there's still a

3522
02:19:31,910 --> 02:19:31,040
basic operating theory that they work

3523
02:19:34,230 --> 02:19:31,920
under

3524
02:19:37,669 --> 02:19:34,240
that's implicit which is that ufos are

3525
02:19:39,669 --> 02:19:37,679
probably visitors from other planets

3526
02:19:41,750 --> 02:19:39,679
but what have they done to be able to

3527
02:19:44,389 --> 02:19:41,760
advance this theory to provide more

3528
02:19:45,910 --> 02:19:44,399
information and evidence i don't see it

3529
02:19:48,549 --> 02:19:45,920
being there i see they're collecting

3530
02:19:51,270 --> 02:19:48,559
information they're publicizing it

3531
02:19:53,510 --> 02:19:51,280
they're holding conferences with plus or

3532
02:19:55,590 --> 02:19:53,520
minus with the quality of guests i don't

3533
02:19:58,630 --> 02:19:55,600
think they're going anywhere at all

3534
02:20:00,870 --> 02:19:58,640
and that's my criticism of them after 47

3535
02:20:03,349 --> 02:20:00,880
years show me something well they're

3536
02:20:06,550 --> 02:20:03,359
limited by budget as am i

3537
02:20:08,550 --> 02:20:06,560
and i've just described what we could do

3538
02:20:11,590 --> 02:20:08,560
to do precisely what you've just

3539
02:20:14,870 --> 02:20:11,600
described take it to a new level passive

3540
02:20:17,910 --> 02:20:14,880
radar does that it takes the eyewitness

3541
02:20:20,309 --> 02:20:17,920
out of the link of data it puts

3542
02:20:21,670 --> 02:20:20,319
photographs on the shelf most photos of

3543
02:20:23,750 --> 02:20:21,680
ufos

3544
02:20:26,230 --> 02:20:23,760
are not very good in fact i estimate

3545
02:20:28,469 --> 02:20:26,240
that only about one out of a thousand

3546
02:20:29,590 --> 02:20:28,479
photographs sent to the national ufo

3547
02:20:30,550 --> 02:20:29,600
reporting

3548
02:20:33,190 --> 02:20:30,560
center

3549
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:33,200
is of any value or use or interest at

3550
02:20:39,429 --> 02:20:37,120
all but passive radar will do exactly

3551
02:20:41,429 --> 02:20:39,439
what you say let me move on i'm being a

3552
02:20:43,270 --> 02:20:41,439
devil's advocate here but understand

3553
02:20:45,910 --> 02:20:43,280
where i'm going we're trying to figure

3554
02:20:48,070 --> 02:20:45,920
things out so theoretically then

3555
02:20:50,070 --> 02:20:48,080
we set up passive radar tomorrow someone

3556
02:20:51,590 --> 02:20:50,080
says okay peter here's a million dollars

3557
02:20:53,429 --> 02:20:51,600
whatever it takes

3558
02:20:55,670 --> 02:20:53,439
you could pretty much take all your data

3559
02:20:57,830 --> 02:20:55,680
that you've accumulated so far and stick

3560
02:20:59,830 --> 02:20:57,840
it in the drawer and start all over

3561
02:21:02,309 --> 02:20:59,840
again because that's what you have to do

3562
02:21:04,950 --> 02:21:02,319
you're setting up a program to detect

3563
02:21:05,830 --> 02:21:04,960
ufo activity and figure out what's going

3564
02:21:07,750 --> 02:21:05,840
on

3565
02:21:09,910 --> 02:21:07,760
but that doesn't reference what's

3566
02:21:12,630 --> 02:21:09,920
already there it's starting something

3567
02:21:14,630 --> 02:21:12,640
new from scratch yeah it is it's a new

3568
02:21:17,750 --> 02:21:14,640
you've just proposed how do we take it

3569
02:21:20,550 --> 02:21:17,760
to a new level that's going to a new

3570
02:21:23,349 --> 02:21:20,560
new domain gene that's exactly what i

3571
02:21:25,429 --> 02:21:23,359
want to do so therefore

3572
02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:25,439
graduate from collecting eyewitness

3573
02:21:29,830 --> 02:21:26,560
reports

3574
02:21:31,429 --> 02:21:29,840
to having a radar detection system that

3575
02:21:34,790 --> 02:21:31,439
will tell us

3576
02:21:36,389 --> 02:21:34,800
when a ufo is in the in proximity of the

3577
02:21:38,950 --> 02:21:36,399
detection system

3578
02:21:39,670 --> 02:21:38,960
and what its size is what its velocity

3579
02:21:41,990 --> 02:21:39,680
is

3580
02:21:44,469 --> 02:21:42,000
that's exactly what i want to do i want

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to take it to a new level it may make

3582
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all the data we've collected

3583
02:21:51,190 --> 02:21:49,760
obsolete but that would be fine with me

3584
02:21:53,270 --> 02:21:51,200
okay now

3585
02:21:55,830 --> 02:21:53,280
if we're detecting the activity will we

3586
02:21:58,389 --> 02:21:55,840
have things like cameras

3587
02:22:00,550 --> 02:21:58,399
movie cameras other sensors to get the

3588
02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:00,560
visual information

3589
02:22:04,710 --> 02:22:03,359
yeah i wrote an article on precisely

3590
02:22:07,110 --> 02:22:04,720
that question

3591
02:22:10,070 --> 02:22:07,120
all you have to do is slave the passive

3592
02:22:12,469 --> 02:22:10,080
radar system to a cine theodolite that

3593
02:22:13,670 --> 02:22:12,479
is a movie camera that is on a gimbal

3594
02:22:15,830 --> 02:22:13,680
tripod

3595
02:22:17,030 --> 02:22:15,840
and be able to point the camera in the

3596
02:22:19,429 --> 02:22:17,040
direction

3597
02:22:20,550 --> 02:22:19,439
of the object and you stand a

3598
02:22:23,510 --> 02:22:20,560
chance

3599
02:22:26,230 --> 02:22:23,520
of capturing it on film but again

3600
02:22:29,110 --> 02:22:26,240
photographs are not terribly convincing

3601
02:22:31,349 --> 02:22:29,120
photographs directed or taken by a

3602
02:22:33,510 --> 02:22:31,359
passive radar system would be

3603
02:22:36,070 --> 02:22:33,520
a step in the right direction

3604
02:22:37,270 --> 02:22:36,080
but i've proposed what i feel is the

3605
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solution

3606
02:22:41,510 --> 02:22:39,600
to the question mark about ufos are they

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real or are they not

3608
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clearly they are from my vantage point

3609
02:22:48,870 --> 02:22:46,640
now i want to prove it and i've proposed

3610
02:22:49,670 --> 02:22:48,880
the use of technology

3611
02:22:54,630 --> 02:22:49,680
that

3612
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:54,640
sure many people are paying attention

3613
02:22:58,630 --> 02:22:56,640
now i assume a system like this would be

3614
02:23:02,389 --> 02:22:58,640
designed to

3615
02:23:04,389 --> 02:23:02,399
consider possible false positives

3616
02:23:06,950 --> 02:23:04,399
well i don't understand yeah there would

3617
02:23:08,790 --> 02:23:06,960
be many false positives you would detect

3618
02:23:10,070 --> 02:23:08,800
airliners you would detect satellites

3619
02:23:13,590 --> 02:23:10,080
you would detect

3620
02:23:17,670 --> 02:23:13,600
uh migratory birds there are two stages

3621
02:23:21,190 --> 02:23:17,680
in radar one is the the first stage is

3622
02:23:23,190 --> 02:23:21,200
the second stage is discrimination

3623
02:23:25,030 --> 02:23:23,200
what have you detected is it of any

3624
02:23:27,910 --> 02:23:25,040
interest to the system

3625
02:23:29,910 --> 02:23:27,920
and that's what's fairly is very easily

3626
02:23:32,950 --> 02:23:29,920
done with computers and modern

3627
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electronics it's only been the last 10

3628
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at most 20 years

3629
02:23:40,150 --> 02:23:38,560
that private citizens have had access

3630
02:23:47,990 --> 02:23:40,160
to

3631
02:23:49,429 --> 02:23:48,000
are a number of passive radar systems in

3632
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use today

3633
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in fact the

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the british

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air traffic control system is proposing

3636
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going to a passive radar system because

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it's much more reliable and much more

3638
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accurate

3639
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than the active radar systems when they

3640
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generate a beam and send it out

3641
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into

3642
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how to detect targets in the vicinity of

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the transmitter

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let's do our break

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and we'll come back for the final

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segment with peter davenport of the

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national ufo reporting center with gene

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and you are listening to the paracast

3757
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we have peter davenport at the national

3758
02:29:08,630 --> 02:29:06,479
ufo reporting center we're talking about

3759
02:29:11,750 --> 02:29:08,640
his proposal for a passive

3760
02:29:14,550 --> 02:29:11,760
radar ufo detection system

3761
02:29:16,469 --> 02:29:14,560
some way to catch them in the act and

3762
02:29:18,469 --> 02:29:16,479
just to put this in the overview before

3763
02:29:20,630 --> 02:29:18,479
we go on to some final questions

3764
02:29:22,710 --> 02:29:20,640
as our listeners know chris o'brien has

3765
02:29:24,950 --> 02:29:22,720
the san luis valley camera project

3766
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setting up a network of cameras to

3767
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record unusual activity we have the ufo

3768
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data project from mark roderger leslie

3769
02:29:35,110 --> 02:29:32,160
kane and others they're trying to set up

3770
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their project and maybe through all this

3771
02:29:39,830 --> 02:29:37,680
something can be done but i understand

3772
02:29:41,670 --> 02:29:39,840
your frustration here you have a great

3773
02:29:44,790 --> 02:29:41,680
idea to do something

3774
02:29:46,950 --> 02:29:44,800
22 years ago the technology has reached

3775
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a point now where it becomes far more

3776
02:29:50,389 --> 02:29:48,160
affordable

3777
02:29:51,349 --> 02:29:50,399
but when you try to generate interest

3778
02:29:53,349 --> 02:29:51,359
it's

3779
02:29:55,670 --> 02:29:53,359
crickets let's just leave it be there

3780
02:29:58,389 --> 02:29:55,680
for those who want to know we'll have

3781
02:30:01,750 --> 02:29:58,399
our listeners contact you and i'll ask

3782
02:30:03,590 --> 02:30:01,760
that in a moment let's look at ufos and

3783
02:30:05,990 --> 02:30:03,600
theories and events very quickly before

3784
02:30:08,389 --> 02:30:06,000
we let you go now obviously one very

3785
02:30:11,349 --> 02:30:08,399
very controversial aspect of the ufo

3786
02:30:12,950 --> 02:30:11,359
phenomenon is abductions and last week

3787
02:30:14,790 --> 02:30:12,960
we featured whitley strieber and we've

3788
02:30:16,389 --> 02:30:14,800
had other discussions with kathleen

3789
02:30:18,790 --> 02:30:16,399
martin and others

3790
02:30:21,990 --> 02:30:18,800
about abductions now if abductions are

3791
02:30:24,309 --> 02:30:22,000
real wouldn't that be a firsthand way of

3792
02:30:25,910 --> 02:30:24,319
getting a hold of some evidence but all

3793
02:30:27,830 --> 02:30:25,920
we really have for the most part are

3794
02:30:30,150 --> 02:30:27,840
just a bunch of claims what do you think

3795
02:30:33,030 --> 02:30:30,160
what do you define as evidence

3796
02:30:35,270 --> 02:30:33,040
some people claim to have alien implants

3797
02:30:38,150 --> 02:30:35,280
or have other possible physical

3798
02:30:40,950 --> 02:30:38,160
interactions with aliens so how do we

3799
02:30:43,590 --> 02:30:40,960
evaluate claims of this sort okay let's

3800
02:30:45,830 --> 02:30:43,600
start with travis walton in my opinion

3801
02:30:48,309 --> 02:30:45,840
the travis walton case competes with the

3802
02:30:50,870 --> 02:30:48,319
phoenix lights event as being the most

3803
02:30:52,630 --> 02:30:50,880
dramatic well-documented case in the

3804
02:30:55,270 --> 02:30:52,640
history of upology

3805
02:30:57,750 --> 02:30:55,280
he was hit with a beam of light that

3806
02:31:00,469 --> 02:30:57,760
rendered him unconscious possibly even

3807
02:31:01,990 --> 02:31:00,479
dead in front of six witnesses

3808
02:31:04,710 --> 02:31:02,000
that's pretty good evidence the only

3809
02:31:05,750 --> 02:31:04,720
thing i would wish for is that one of

3810
02:31:07,670 --> 02:31:05,760
those

3811
02:31:10,469 --> 02:31:07,680
six witnesses in the international

3812
02:31:13,190 --> 02:31:10,479
harvester truck had had a camera or a

3813
02:31:16,150 --> 02:31:13,200
movie camera i regret that they didn't

3814
02:31:18,389 --> 02:31:16,160
get hard evidence the other case i would

3815
02:31:20,710 --> 02:31:18,399
cite and i've talked about it until i'm

3816
02:31:24,309 --> 02:31:20,720
blue in the face and very few people are

3817
02:31:27,710 --> 02:31:24,319
aware of it is the death of todd sees

3818
02:31:29,349 --> 02:31:27,720
it's an event that occurred back in

3819
02:31:35,349 --> 02:31:29,359
2002

3820
02:31:37,750 --> 02:31:35,359
read the reports on our website

3821
02:31:40,550 --> 02:31:37,760
a man went up on a mountain in south

3822
02:31:43,510 --> 02:31:40,560
central pennsylvania on an all-terrain

3823
02:31:45,910 --> 02:31:43,520
vehicle atv the next thing anybody knew

3824
02:31:48,950 --> 02:31:45,920
at least four witnesses were watching a

3825
02:31:50,790 --> 02:31:48,960
man's body being levitated off the top

3826
02:31:54,389 --> 02:31:50,800
of the mountain where todd sees was

3827
02:31:57,510 --> 02:31:54,399
known to have gone into a saucer

3828
02:32:00,070 --> 02:31:57,520
a saucer-shaped metallic-looking craft

3829
02:32:02,389 --> 02:32:00,080
hovering above the top of that mountain

3830
02:32:05,349 --> 02:32:02,399
the man's body clad only in

3831
02:32:06,950 --> 02:32:05,359
undergarments was taken allegedly taken

3832
02:32:10,150 --> 02:32:06,960
into the craft

3833
02:32:12,870 --> 02:32:10,160
well that's the prelude to a long series

3834
02:32:16,070 --> 02:32:12,880
of events that involved a manhunt

3835
02:32:16,950 --> 02:32:16,080
involving 200 or 250 people looking for

3836
02:32:20,070 --> 02:32:16,960
him

3837
02:32:22,389 --> 02:32:20,080
and 40 hours after the sighting

3838
02:32:25,590 --> 02:32:22,399
reported by several people

3839
02:32:28,950 --> 02:32:25,600
his remains were found suspended

3840
02:32:32,309 --> 02:32:28,960
in a tree or heavy underbrush

3841
02:32:34,630 --> 02:32:32,319
richard dolan and i and travis walton

3842
02:32:36,389 --> 02:32:34,640
are all familiar with this case we've

3843
02:32:39,030 --> 02:32:36,399
looked into it

3844
02:32:40,550 --> 02:32:39,040
so we have evidence very good evidence

3845
02:32:41,830 --> 02:32:40,560
that a man

3846
02:32:43,910 --> 02:32:41,840
possibly

3847
02:32:46,550 --> 02:32:43,920
was taken up into a saucer and his

3848
02:32:49,830 --> 02:32:46,560
grossly mutilated remains were found 40

3849
02:32:52,950 --> 02:32:49,840
hours later i don't know what

3850
02:32:56,309 --> 02:32:52,960
more strong what stronger evidence

3851
02:32:57,030 --> 02:32:56,319
a person would need with regard to

3852
02:32:59,270 --> 02:32:57,040
the

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02:33:01,510 --> 02:32:59,280
abduction phenomenon and in this case

3854
02:33:03,429 --> 02:33:01,520
tragically involved not only an

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02:33:05,030 --> 02:33:03,439
abduction but an apparent death and

3856
02:33:07,110 --> 02:33:05,040
mutilation

3857
02:33:09,349 --> 02:33:07,120
are you familiar with the case

3858
02:33:11,110 --> 02:33:09,359
i've heard about possible human

3859
02:33:13,830 --> 02:33:11,120
mutilations yes

3860
02:33:16,469 --> 02:33:13,840
well the todd sea's case it's a very

3861
02:33:19,349 --> 02:33:16,479
very dramatic case i've talked to the

3862
02:33:21,510 --> 02:33:19,359
coroner who did the autopsy he admitted

3863
02:33:23,590 --> 02:33:21,520
that the autopsy was done it was a very

3864
02:33:25,990 --> 02:33:23,600
strange case

3865
02:33:28,950 --> 02:33:26,000
we have witnesses that

3866
02:33:31,429 --> 02:33:28,960
uh testified to the fact that the man

3867
02:33:34,230 --> 02:33:31,439
was being apparently the very man whose

3868
02:33:37,349 --> 02:33:34,240
remains were later found was being taken

3869
02:33:41,510 --> 02:33:37,359
up into a saucer-shaped craft

3870
02:33:44,870 --> 02:33:41,520
so i cite this case chris just to

3871
02:33:47,349 --> 02:33:44,880
point out that we do have good cases

3872
02:33:49,270 --> 02:33:47,359
and we've published them posted them

3873
02:33:50,710 --> 02:33:49,280
shared them on radio and television

3874
02:33:53,750 --> 02:33:50,720
programs

3875
02:33:54,550 --> 02:33:53,760
and most people still are not aware of

3876
02:33:55,990 --> 02:33:54,560
them

3877
02:33:58,230 --> 02:33:56,000
i think part of the problem we're

3878
02:34:00,389 --> 02:33:58,240
dealing with here is that

3879
02:34:02,550 --> 02:34:00,399
most people i don't say power cast

3880
02:34:05,190 --> 02:34:02,560
listeners because we have a really

3881
02:34:06,950 --> 02:34:05,200
dedicated brilliant group of people who

3882
02:34:08,950 --> 02:34:06,960
listen to the show we have

3883
02:34:10,950 --> 02:34:08,960
well over a hundred thousand listeners

3884
02:34:12,630 --> 02:34:10,960
over all around the world i don't even

3885
02:34:14,469 --> 02:34:12,640
know the numbers because the show just

3886
02:34:15,270 --> 02:34:14,479
goes far and wide everywhere

3887
02:34:18,070 --> 02:34:15,280
but

3888
02:34:19,830 --> 02:34:18,080
most people who hear about ufos they see

3889
02:34:21,030 --> 02:34:19,840
the reality shows

3890
02:34:23,270 --> 02:34:21,040
they think it's all a bunch of

3891
02:34:25,429 --> 02:34:23,280
entertainment it's x-files

3892
02:34:26,469 --> 02:34:25,439
that's it it's just x-files it's nothing

3893
02:34:29,030 --> 02:34:26,479
real

3894
02:34:31,670 --> 02:34:29,040
and we could watch that show

3895
02:34:33,349 --> 02:34:31,680
scroll past the commercials if we want

3896
02:34:36,790 --> 02:34:33,359
get on with our business of trying to

3897
02:34:38,790 --> 02:34:36,800
survive in the 2016 economy we don't

3898
02:34:40,790 --> 02:34:38,800
want to get into all the world craziness

3899
02:34:43,830 --> 02:34:40,800
that's going on right now but i could

3900
02:34:47,349 --> 02:34:43,840
see why people are as a practical matter

3901
02:34:49,429 --> 02:34:47,359
interested in ufos as a curiosity

3902
02:34:51,590 --> 02:34:49,439
as a source of entertainment

3903
02:34:54,070 --> 02:34:51,600
but very very few people are interested

3904
02:34:57,110 --> 02:34:54,080
in ufos to go beyond that i mean you

3905
02:34:58,790 --> 02:34:57,120
have like the international ufo congress

3906
02:34:59,990 --> 02:34:58,800
near phoenix is going to be happening

3907
02:35:02,150 --> 02:35:00,000
this weekend

3908
02:35:03,750 --> 02:35:02,160
if they get a thousand people it's gonna

3909
02:35:06,230 --> 02:35:03,760
be a miracle

3910
02:35:08,389 --> 02:35:06,240
a lot of people if you go to a comic con

3911
02:35:11,270 --> 02:35:08,399
where you can see the stars of the next

3912
02:35:13,990 --> 02:35:11,280
star wars movie or star trek or

3913
02:35:15,830 --> 02:35:14,000
super girl or flash or arrow

3914
02:35:17,830 --> 02:35:15,840
they'll get thirty thousand people fifty

3915
02:35:20,070 --> 02:35:17,840
thousand it's amazing

3916
02:35:22,309 --> 02:35:20,080
comic con you get plenty of people but

3917
02:35:23,110 --> 02:35:22,319
we're dealing with something that may be

3918
02:35:25,190 --> 02:35:23,120
real

3919
02:35:27,590 --> 02:35:25,200
people being kidnapped by something

3920
02:35:29,910 --> 02:35:27,600
killed by something strange objects in

3921
02:35:32,630 --> 02:35:29,920
the sky from who knows where

3922
02:35:35,510 --> 02:35:32,640
from whatever origin

3923
02:35:37,110 --> 02:35:35,520
very very few people are dedicated

3924
02:35:39,270 --> 02:35:37,120
enough

3925
02:35:40,710 --> 02:35:39,280
to explore what's happening and quite

3926
02:35:42,870 --> 02:35:40,720
often when they do it's because they've

3927
02:35:45,670 --> 02:35:42,880
had the experience they've seen

3928
02:35:47,990 --> 02:35:45,680
something or a friend has seen something

3929
02:35:49,750 --> 02:35:48,000
they have a point where they are

3930
02:35:51,590 --> 02:35:49,760
dedicated enough

3931
02:35:54,309 --> 02:35:51,600
to want to follow it through otherwise

3932
02:35:55,670 --> 02:35:54,319
the rest of us just don't care we only

3933
02:35:58,710 --> 02:35:55,680
have a minute left you want to give a

3934
02:36:01,270 --> 02:35:58,720
response peter yeah briefly i agree with

3935
02:36:03,270 --> 02:36:01,280
you it's a tragedy that humans in

3936
02:36:05,510 --> 02:36:03,280
today's world are more predisposed to

3937
02:36:08,469 --> 02:36:05,520
believe and consume

3938
02:36:12,150 --> 02:36:08,479
imaginary events rather than pay

3939
02:36:13,910 --> 02:36:12,160
attention to reality and to objectively

3940
02:36:17,429 --> 02:36:13,920
collected information

3941
02:36:19,270 --> 02:36:17,439
it's the bane of my existence trying to

3942
02:36:21,670 --> 02:36:19,280
call to the attention of the american

3943
02:36:24,070 --> 02:36:21,680
people and other humans around the world

3944
02:36:26,790 --> 02:36:24,080
that we appear to be being visited on a

3945
02:36:28,469 --> 02:36:26,800
routine basis by these things we call

3946
02:36:30,230 --> 02:36:28,479
ufos

3947
02:36:33,030 --> 02:36:30,240
and

3948
02:36:34,630 --> 02:36:33,040
it bothers me that people get most of

3949
02:36:36,070 --> 02:36:34,640
their ufo information from the

3950
02:36:37,750 --> 02:36:36,080
television my

3951
02:36:39,110 --> 02:36:37,760
recommendation to people who want

3952
02:36:42,309 --> 02:36:39,120
information about

3953
02:36:45,030 --> 02:36:42,319
ufos is to the first step is cut the

3954
02:36:47,429 --> 02:36:45,040
plug off your television cord

3955
02:36:48,389 --> 02:36:47,439
that's the first step and then start

3956
02:36:50,389 --> 02:36:48,399
reading

3957
02:36:53,270 --> 02:36:50,399
not mattering and chit-chatting about

3958
02:36:56,630 --> 02:36:53,280
the ufo phenomenon or consuming movies

3959
02:36:59,190 --> 02:36:56,640
or programs but read reports and

3960
02:37:01,270 --> 02:36:59,200
consider them and ruminate on them

3961
02:37:03,030 --> 02:37:01,280
that's the best thing to do in my

3962
02:37:05,270 --> 02:37:03,040
opinion where can they find more

3963
02:37:07,270 --> 02:37:05,280
information about what you do they can

3964
02:37:09,469 --> 02:37:07,280
just go to the website it's been there

3965
02:37:13,990 --> 02:37:09,479
for almost 20 years

3966
02:37:18,150 --> 02:37:16,309
and if they've ever at any time in their

3967
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:18,160
life whether it be eight minutes ago or

3968
02:37:22,790 --> 02:37:21,120
eight decades ago seeing a ufo

3969
02:37:25,110 --> 02:37:22,800
i would encourage them to take a few

3970
02:37:27,510 --> 02:37:25,120
minutes to record the event

3971
02:37:29,830 --> 02:37:27,520
that means writing it down and

3972
02:37:33,110 --> 02:37:29,840
submitting a report using our online

3973
02:37:35,030 --> 02:37:33,120
report form at ufo ufocenter.com

3974
02:37:36,790 --> 02:37:35,040
you can find more information about the

3975
02:37:38,150 --> 02:37:36,800
powercast on twitter and look for the

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3977
02:37:42,469 --> 02:37:39,439
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02:37:43,349 --> 02:37:42,479
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4004
02:38:40,150 --> 02:38:37,520
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4006
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